27 April 2014

CECIL TAYLOR "STUDENT STUDIES" (BYG, 1966)


This album was first released as an untitled 2LP set on the Japanese BYG label in 1973.
The first CD edition on Affinity was titled "Student Studies". Later Black Lion issued another CD edition entitled "The Great Paris Concert".
The original cover is included in the files...
...and I have added two pieces from (most probably) the same session - 40 minutes more from this excellent group.


Cecil Taylor, piano
Jimmy Lyons, alto saxophone
Alan Silva, bass
Andrew Cyrille, drums

1. Student Studies (Part 1) 16:00
2. Student Studies (Part 2) 11:00
3. Amplitude  19:44
4. Niggle Feuigle 12:06
5. A Bright Light (Lover And Love) 21:13
6. Over There 19:20

Recorded in Paris at Maison De L'ORTF, Salle 105 on November 30, 1966 (Broadcast 'ORTF').

Tracks 1-4 originally released on BYG YX4003/4004.
Source for the rip BLACK LION BLCD760201.
Tracks 5 + 6 not released in any form.

Note: tracks 5+6 possibly recorded on December 1, 1966 at the Grand Amphitheatre de la Faculte de Droit, Paris, France.
Note 2: track 5 also titled "Bread, Wine, Lover & Love".
Note 3: alternate album title "THE GREAT PARIS CONCERT".


18 comments:

onxidlib said...
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martin said...

Thank you onxdlib, I had never been aware of the existence of, let alone actually heard, tracks 5 & 6. Thank you and thank you again.

hideo said...

always love for Cecil, thanksonxidlib!

Craig Premo said...

As Martin said, I didn't know about the additional two tracks, so thanks!

roberto t. said...

Unaware of the extra tracks which are wonderful, thank you.

Solomon said...

Thank you.

Anonymous said...

Thank you very, very much!
The titles given for track 5 notwithstanding,
it is clearly "With (Exit)", the opening cut on the Conquistador album.
It's interesting to hear how much of it is in fact a "written" piece, with even much of Mr. Taylor's solo corresponding to the performance on the original album.

onxidlib said...

Thanks for this interesting observation.
Haven't heard "Conquistador" for many years - but I shall do so today and make my own comparison with the respective titles.

santos curser said...

I thought I had Conquistador on one of these computers here... I had all these things on vinyl, years and years ago before the big catastrophe... thanks
(going looking for Conquistador on other computers)

Anonymous said...

why the fucking FLAC? bullshit here again

Anonymous said...

This is probably a dumb question but will you have any of Cecil Taylor's live shows from The Whitney Museum?I know he's playing some great music in 2016 at the whitney.

Ernst Grgo Nebhuth said...

1fichier

Colin Green said...

Many thanks for making this available again. I've just written a review of "Student Studies" for the Taylor Tribute days which should be posted on the Free jazz soon. I've not managed to get hold of the additional tracks before and am keen to hear them. Hopefully, it should be clear if they're from the same or a different venue. As you say, opinion is divided.

Ernst Grgo Nebhuth said...

No new data / verification about the unreleased tracks.
YOu might have a look here http://web.archive.org/web/20130602221207/http://www.webmutations.com/ceciltaylor/1966.html
and / or there
66-1130 Concert "ORTF", Salle 105, Maison de la ORTF, Paris, France

CECIL TAYLOR QUARTET

Cecil Taylor(p), Jimmy Lyons(as), Alan Silva(b), Andrew Cyrille(dr)


1. Student Studies part 1 (16:00)

2. Student Studies part 2 (11:00)

3. Amplitude (19:44)

4. Niggle Feuille (12:45)(58:50)

5. Over There (17:09)

6. Announcement, French ( 0:21)

7. Bread, Wine, Lover and Love (19:18)(36:57)

Total time: (95:47)


1 – 4. Black Lion 760201, "The Great Paris Concert", (CD)

1 – 4. Freedom/Black Lion TKCB-70318, "Great Paris Concert", (CD)

1 – 4. BYG, YX-4003/4, "Cecil Taylor", (2LP)

1 – 4. Affinity, AFFD 74, "Student Studies", (LP)

1 – 4. Affinity CD 770, (CD)

5 – 7. Radio broadcast, French


Notes: Track 5 - 7 may come from date 66-1201.

This info is from Jan Ström's Jimmy Lyons sessionography.
http://www.janstrom.se/4.-sessionography/4.1.-1961--1973-6228279

Colin Green said...

Yes, I had a look at the three discographies/sessionographies and there are differences. What's interesting is that if I've read the Cecil Taylor Online Sessionography correctly, there appear to be tapes of other performances in Paris at the time but to my knowledge these have never surfaced on any of the usual online forums. At this time, the only decent recordings of performances tended to be those made by radio stations. My provisional view - I'll take a listen tomorrow - is that the extra tracks probably come from the ORTF concert. They take it to and hour and forty minutes, which seems right, and the reason they weren't included in the initial LP release, which formed the basis of the CD reissues, is that there was insufficient room (though they could always have replaced shorter numbers). It's good to have them however, but would be even nicer to have more.

There's a rumour that the pieces played in the documentary "Les Grandes Répétitions" filmed at the time were available on an LP, but again this has never surfaced and no-one actually seems to have heard it. Possibly a myth.

I'm still missing item 4 from the Oct 16 performances in Stuttgart.

Ernst Grgo Nebhuth said...

Don't have the fourth item from Stuttgart.
But I have "Les Grandes Répétitions" - plus two other films with CT from Paris around this time.
I have to go back to them.

Colin Green said...

I've a feeling the other two films are just shorter versions of the material in "Les Grandes Répétitions", to which my review will provide a link. I think it's being posted on day 3 of 3. I see the first batch of reviews have been posted today.

Colin Green said...

Having listened to the additional tracks, the similarities in acoustic, instrumental balance and audience applause suggest that they are also from the ORFT concert. And sticking my neck out, I think track 5 is "Conquistador" and track 6 "With (Exit)", in other words, the Conquistador! album, recorded the previous month. They also played a much longer version of "Conquistador" in Stuttgart. The anonymous poster above got it right, but I think he confused Side A of Conquistador! with side B.