inconstant sol: ....Free form

19 May 2022

....Free form

Anything else goes here. Observations on the general state of the universe and its overall direction are particularly welcome, but also on more mundane matters as you may see fit.

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Ernst Grgo Nebhuth said...: Yep - IS is about unavailable and unreleased music.
And we weren't talking about IS or the blogosphere in general. At least at the beginning of the discussion.
The topic seems to be the ethics of sharing lossy files while pretending to share lossless files.
All this ignited by Anonymous/Igor's severe indignation about a poster's seemingly 'cheaty' behaviour. As far as I can tell his critic is up to the point.
I've analysed the few downloads I took and have found only minimal evidence. But I'm not an expert.

@ kinabalu - thanks for offering me a home at the church of 'losslessnessless'.
But I have no inclination to join any party of whatever animus for more than an occaison.
But - thinking about - maybe I would join the path of 'lesslossness' ;-); 9 August 2016 at 15:38:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: Looks like i set too many letters in motion to convey my thoughts and statements, so the system is unable to transport them all in one piece form to their destination, without require to split it into volumes, so it needs to apply some zeal to make it through.
Here's an episode from the script, coming suddenly to my mind, which might make onxidlib to wince in disgust again (sorry!).
There's an artful man named Arty. He has some water and wants to make some money from it. He makes a deal with the glass company to promote it. And here's the technology. Arty, from his booth, offers people to drink a glass of water, labled with the name of the brand of his companions, for free, as people like free water. More people to use the glasses - more profit, as company set this. But Arty's reserve isn't enough to make his trade worthful, so he decides to spit in some glasses to increase the amount of water, as when there's just one sip to drink from a glass, people show less interest, but when the glass is full, they take it gladly. Arty thinks "What is the problem? No one can be poisoned by spits, no one will even notice!". So he spits and spits, and people drink and drink, and glasses' traffic is steady, and Arty's doing fine. But one day some man named Ignor, being drawn by thirst and seduced by free service, yells after having some Arty's water "Crap! Did you just spit in there? How could you do this? Fraud!". Arty responds: "Dear churlish passer, did you by chance ever in life do something good for others, gave them something, share something nice with someone, as a human, simply, right from the heart and without obligation?". And some other men heard Ignor's hoot add: "Come on, man, what are you want? You didn't even pay for it!".
This is a work of fiction. Names, characters, businesses...

It's a good thing to make benefits from one's occupation, but not all things are good to make, right?
Anyway, i'm sure that the people who come to "Different perpectives...!", if they will see the initial "Wrong perspectives...!" message here, will take note of information it contains, no matter will they share my words about the linkman and his practice and my tactics or not. And as i've pointed above, i count, that it is a needful thing to publish it, without fail, so i do appreciate this, and, of course, all the real things you, inconstant sol guys, do and i respect your own opinions. Thank you!

Igor

p.s. Hey, onxidlib, if you still have your "Ketchaoua" LP (i've noticed your comment in that room), could you, please, consider to post the real thing some time? ; ); 9 August 2016 at 17:08:00 CEST
Ernst Grgo Nebhuth said...: Hi Igor,

OK I take your point. And I was never disgusted by your writing/critic. But from my view I perceived your reaction about the "spitting-in-a-glass" a bit disproportionate.
Off course such a behaviour can make one angry (me too) but after an hour or two my uproar would trickle down for the most part.
I imagined a mere hint like: "...beware......", would have been enough yet appreciated.

Back to music. Yes I still have Thornton's "Ketchaoua" LP. Didn't made a rip of my copy up to now. At the moment I'm in the process of cleaning Bengt Ernryd's LP "Musik".
A few month ago I got it through a trade. Since I've heard Ernryd's Dragon LPs I was looking after the above mentioned item.
I gave the LP a cleaning treatment and washed it with a 'Loricraft' last week.
But to my dismay the LP still offered 'one-hundred' heavier clicks 'n pops.
So after I'm through with the manual removal of the worst scratches I shall tackle "Ketchaoua" which is - as I recall - in a much better condition than "Musik".
Frankly this might not be feasible before October or so - we'll see.
Cheers; 9 August 2016 at 19:26:00 CEST
TINSTAAFLzo said...: Hi Everybody-Well, a good little birdie just clarified things a good bit for my ol'noggin to understand. They explained if one converts an mp3 to a flac, but then for one reason or another converts it BACK to mp3, it really sucks...So I hereby declare I will try not to pontificate on technical matters I know nothing about. There are many other burning issues we could be exploring: Who was better-Jarman or Mitchell? Do you Really like Cecil's grunting or not? Which label had the best cover design?[I vote BYG-Actuel!]Elvin or Rashied? Jeff Beck or Hendrix?
Not to mention ...; 9 August 2016 at 19:44:00 CEST
Ernst Grgo Nebhuth said...: Hi Bozo,

don't know wether Jarman was better or Mitchell. But I have a fondness for Roscoe Mitchell's altosax. The sound and his lines/textures always make me smile and I feel myself quite happily energized. Not to mention his compositions and his playing on the soprano or bass-sax. I also enjoy his upbeat tunes played for example on the album "The Bad Guys". Hear "Do That Dance Called the Tangler", "Down in the Basement" or "Oh, See How They Run to L.A." All these intricate driving but lucid sounds which let me tingle in anticipation.

Cecil's grunting I do not like nor dislike except they give the music an extra momentum. This leads unfailingly to a grunting on my side...

Best label cover design? Hmm - I enjoy BYG or the few Jazz LPs Wergo produced (they have an analog design). All in all I have no real favourite label cover-wise. I could list a lot of albums which artwork I really like. May be a few will do it:
- The Music Improvisation Company ‎– 1968-1971 (Incus)
- Evan Parker / Derek Bailey / Han Bennink ‎– The Topography Of The Lungs (Incus)
- Derek Bailey & Han Bennink ‎– Derek Bailey & Han Bennink (Incus)
- Tony Oxley ‎– Tony Oxley (Incus)
- Fred Van Hove - KKWTT (Pour Quintette À Cuivres Et Piano Improvisé) (Nato)
- Urs Voerkel + Paul Lovens ‎– Goldberg (Po Torch)
- Schlippenbach Quartett ‎– The Hidden Peak (FMP)
- Milford Graves ‎– Meditation Among Us (Kitty)
- Albert Ayler Trio ‎– Spiritual Unity (ESP)
- Cecil Taylor ‎– Conquistador! (Blue Note)
- Sunny Murray ‎– Sonny's Time Now (Jihad)
and so on. Off course special mention goes to Brötzmann's design, to Lovens' label Po Torch and not at least to Marte Röling's Fontana/Debut cover design.

Elvin + Rashied!!

I have to admit I've never heard any Jeff Beck knowingly....Jimi Hendrix yes, but I would enjoy his music better if his bass and drums players would be better (sacrilege?)
Have you ever heard the one guitarist/bouzouki player which Hendrix has mentioned in an interview as an influence on his playing: Manolis Chiotis ;-); 9 August 2016 at 21:16:00 CEST
kinabalu said...: Onx: I agree totally. The path of less lossness is the way to go!

I have the Clifford Thompson lp mentioned above - the one close to impossible to spell correctly. If you wanna have a go at it, Onx, be my guest. I did get a digital copy off the Different Perspectives site and it sounded perfectly OK to me. Sound quality was never Byg Actuel's strong side, always sounded a bit murky to me. I don't think his Garden of Harlem has ever been blogged, so maybe I should have a whack at that one.

Jarman and Mitchell - that's an interesting one. Often I wonder who is who when listening to old Art Ensemble records, but I might be getting a little bit closer.

Sleeves? I don't think any of the Bygs were particularly memorable nor for that matter any other jazz label. Blue Note had a certain, recognisable design in their day. Off the top of my head: the first Faust was spectacular and I have a weak spot for the prog labels of the 70s. They had a special style, though possibly dated by today's standards. But with cds the whole point of sleeve design fell out the window.

Hendrix, yes, but I find myself listening to acoustic players as well. John Fahey was special. I keep coming back to him. I might blog a few of his live performances. We'll see.; 9 August 2016 at 23:00:00 CEST
Rev. bIGhIG said...: Friends, if you're listening to your files through earbuds or computer speakers, or mass market headphones, lossless, 320, flac, etc. makes little difference to what you hear, even digital vs. analog. You guys running this stuff through an oscilloscope or just digging the tunes?; 9 August 2016 at 23:49:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: onxidlib,
well, yeah, i agree that on the whole i used a lot of words and cutting definitions to convey the message, as i'm fueled with a hot blood, sorry couldn't make it laconically, but the seething is needed to raise a wave.
By the by, grabbed all Bengt Ernryd's just recently, really. Though heard only Love Chant for now, not that soft, one might think looking at the cover, good stuff. Thanks.

Kinabalu,
"Ketchaoua" from DPIMR is ~ vbr96-128mp3, i have i guess a "parent" mp3 copy to that one from Vitko, as it has the same frequency cut-off on 12-13khz. It does sounds ok, some old vinyls do sound worthily being converted to small bitrate lossy files.

Miloš and Igor, thanks for the support, by the way.

Igor; 10 August 2016 at 00:26:00 CEST
Andy said...: Just to say that I have on occasion ripped and posted an mp3 file as a flac (Gus' minidisc recordings). I didn't realise it was a crime. I have very high regard for Vitko and how he presents his posts. He is always kind enough to leave a thank you comment on this site. Nothing anyone has said against him has changed my opinion one jot.; 10 August 2016 at 00:38:00 CEST
Andy said...: Actually, I'm a bit confused.
Once a track is burned to cdr is it still a flac, wav, mp3? Or is it then something else? (a cd audio track?).
If I'm copying a cassette to cdr - what type of 'file' is it?
If Gus has copied his minidisc mp3 to cdr for me, does it make a difference if I rip it as a wav or mp3.
You might have thought I'd know all this basic stuff, but I don't. Education would be appreciated.; 10 August 2016 at 01:04:00 CEST
Ketchatrane-zo said...: Thanks to you all for having a neat discussion now. I just got done listening to that awesome album by Billy Bang called Vietnam Reflections, how soothing and moving! Glad to help triggering some fun, "Ketchaoua" is a very close-to-the-heart album for me, and Onx- you mentioned "Conquistador",man, for over 44years now that one has been a mystical experience, one that never fails to get me grinning from ear-to-ear at the sheer excitement the music inspires. We listened to all four Trane at the Vanguard cds last weekend-what a treat! The quartet with Dolphy, etc. is in fantastic form, the groove unbelievable. Later at night relived "Live in Seattle"... Onx, it's on to "Meditations" with Rashied and Elvin!!! What are you all listening to?
PS, Jarman on tenor can really lift your spirits sometimes!; 10 August 2016 at 03:54:00 CEST
Tantris said...: Andy – here’s my 2 cents.

If you are copying a cassette recording to CD, the cassette recording represents a lossless source, in analogue format. You can choose what file format will be used to encode this digitally on the CD. Formats such as wav or aiff are lossless, in that they record in digital format the full frequency range of the original source. These formats are relatively large in size, depending on what parameters you choose – commercial CD uses 16bit/44.1kHz, but you can increase the bit rate and sampling rates to get a higher resolution digital file, albeit with a larger file size. Flac is a compressed version of these formats (to reduce file size); when a flac file is played, it should unpack itself to the original uncompressed state.

Alternatively, you can choose a ‘lossy’ file format, such as MP3, in which case the digital format does not record the full frequency range of the source – to quote from Wikipedia; ‘MP3 lossy compression works by reducing (or approximating) the accuracy of certain parts of a continuous sound that are considered to be beyond the auditory resolution ability of most people. This method is commonly referred to as perceptual coding. It uses psychoacoustic models to discard or reduce precision of components less audible to human hearing, and then records the remaining information in an efficient manner.’ The benefit of MP3 is a much smaller file size, and in practice, MP3 recordings can be excellent – I’m very happy with radio recordings in mp2/mp3 format at 320 kbps, for example. I still have most of the files that were shared on Church Number Nine in MP3 format, even if I’ve gone out and found an LP or CD for many of these. However, when I’m making my own recordings, I will record in wav (usually 24bit/96kHz), or in a DSD format such as DSDDIFF, as I think these sound very lifelike, and better than many commercial CDs. The files I occasionally share here are mixed down to flac from these original file formats.

If you have a minidisc mp3 recording, you can’t improve the quality of the source by recoding it (or ‘upsampling’) back into a lossless format such as wav or aiff. Hence in most cases it’s probably best to present the original mp3 file. But sometimes upsampling can work well, and it’s worth experimenting to see what sounds good. To be honest, I think your cassette recordings are of excellent quality – I don’t think I’ve ever had to make allowances for poor quality sound when listening to them, and there can be a total focus on the music. So whatever you’re doing is working well!; 10 August 2016 at 10:30:00 CEST
Tantris said...: Hello Ketchatrane – Conquistador is a favourite for me also – I think I first listened to it after searching for Bill Dixon and Alan Silva recordings, rather than Cecil himself, courtesy of the CN9 blog. Silva’s bass weaves a beautiful and magic line through the entire album. There’s 22 years between this and the 1988 Berlin concerts, but the connection between them seems to me to be very strong. You’re also describing my favourite period for Coltrane – Transition is an LP I’ve been listening a lot to, lately, along with Interstellar Space and Cosmic Music. In terms of other music, my son has introduced me in the last year to a number of lieder cycles that I was not familiar with, including Brahm’s Vier ernste Gesänge, and Finzi’s settings of Thomas Hardy poems in ‘Earth and Air and Rain’, both of which have moved me deeply, and opened my ears in ways I was not expecting.; 10 August 2016 at 11:00:00 CEST
kinabalu said...: @Andy: I think Tantris covered your last two questions very well, so let me just respond to your first: Once a track is burned to cdr is it still a flac, wav, mp3? Or is it then something else? (a cd audio track?).

Well, it can be both. Burning software will give you a choice of whether you want to create a cd audio disc or a data disc. If the former, you will be limited to playing your files on a cd player. If the latter, you can play the files on any player or any computer that has the right software. I have a multi-purpose player, meaning I can play dvds, cds, mpg and mp3 files on it. Wav and flac files cannot be played on it, but there could be newer models that may give you that possibility.

For recordings, I use standard wav for music and then convert to whatever format is most convenient, but for speech, mp3 is good enough.; 10 August 2016 at 13:21:00 CEST
Lucky said...: Igor - I see your point, and I think you feel cheated by Vitko and want to express your anger. What you say is that you want to warn others about that, for my taste you make too many words for this issue, though. Over the years I got many great stuff from Vitko, and I respect him immensely for that - music I otherwise wouldn't have heard! And if he feels the need to cheat to get more attention, I can understand that, too - why not? Don't we all need compliments to get going? Didn't you ever cheat, Igor?

I prefer to be cheated by Vitko than moralized by you, Igor, to be true. And that's personal honest opinion by me, nothing fake.; 10 August 2016 at 13:45:00 CEST
Lucky said...: Here's a P.S. to the Igor incident - Vitko's reply on his blog, posted on August 3, 2016:

"Anonymous,
That looks like your honesty, I offer you my e-mail, and you still choose anonymous, hidden, insidious way, to pour insults around the corner, using harsh words, accusing and threatening without any arguments (oh yes, you have an opinion), and as far as modern technology, it is for you, it seems, is still completely unknown.
I wonder, did you by chance ever in life do something good for others, gave him something, share something nice with someone, as a human, simply, right from the heart and without obligation ...? I doubt.
At your honor."

So much to that.; 10 August 2016 at 16:00:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: Andy,
as for the crime: there is a big difference between Ignorance and Profanation.
Several years ago, i pulled out an audio stream from video with a rare album, i couldn't find anywhere, from youtube using some software, which was recommended to me to do this. I thought that the audio stream is like a raw audio file, so i set the settings to grab it in wav, and then i converted my "wav"-file to flac and jubilantly put it on a site, where i was sharing music with like-minded guys, without bothering to indicate the source in description accompanied the link. Some time later, one of my boddies in a private conversation, when i told him, that there's a eurica-way to grab an audio-file from youtube, said to me that i did completely the wrong thing, because the audio-files inserted in those youtube videos are usually mp3s of 128khz and it's a seldom chance they have a higher bitrate and good quality.
I was very embarrased and felt guilty, cause some people have already downloaded the file i put. I removed the link and said i'm sorry. That was it. Since then i try to be way more responsible in such things and way less ignourant.
So maybe this whole thing is good for you? I think it is, as was for me.

Lucky,
i count, that it is a great thing, when one supports his friend. But having to encourage someone in cheating is like an acquiescence for detection, if you're on the same wave. I think there's no exсuses for those lies, that your friend has been feeding people consciously for years. You're saying that his doings were motivated by the desire to attract more attention to that music by converting other's mp3 to self "flac"? Oh, how sweet it is! This is ridiculous, there's no need to muzz.
If one's willing to share something good with people, that he has, and to attract more audience to some music, he does this, like Kinabalu:
http://i78.fastpic.ru/big/2016/0810/a6/b677118ce26897f678ed70cd170059a6.png
If one's willing to make some benefits from what he has and he doesn't care about the people, he does this, like Vitko:
http://i79.fastpic.ru/big/2016/0810/68/935c079e28ef9ca3ea510ceb2a320968.png
by magical moves of his deft hands turning the 25mb/128mp3-file to 208mb/128mp3-file.
Do you have an unlimited internet access? Yeah? You're lucky beggar!
Say hi to your friend.

Igor; 10 August 2016 at 18:45:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: and, Lucky, if you haven't noticed i quoted earlier some of Vitko's sentences from this answer you transported. I've sent him few messages through that post, which weren't published (why so, Vitko? because you have no desire to be exposed and to endanger your next manipulations?). I asked him to remove the links that lead to fake and to confess, or i'll have to open other's eyes by myself. His replies are charged with hypocrisy, and i have nothing to discuss with this muddy person in e-mail form. Then he decided to stick to his way of a cheater, putting more fake under SAKATA ORCHESTRA title - it is like sassy grinning...How dare this man to tell me something about the honor?
I'm done with this.
Be a man, Vitko.

Igor; 10 August 2016 at 19:28:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.; 10 August 2016 at 20:33:00 CEST
Ernst Grgo Nebhuth said...: HI Igor,

removed your second try as it was already posted by you - it would have been redundant.
BTW - All comments posted at IS will moderated before appearing.
So sometimes it will need some time before one of us seesand releases it.
Very rarely they will be deleted for the obvious reasons as insulting or similar etc.; 11 August 2016 at 10:27:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: onxidlib,
sorry for bothering with that 2nd try and overloading the space with novel-sized comments on lossy English, seemingly like pouring water into a sieve, but it's an important thing to dot the i's. Though it looks like the discussion turns into a hassle by me, whiles there are directions have appeared for more joyful conversation.
Let there be light and peace.

Igor; 11 August 2016 at 12:09:00 CEST
Ernst Grgo Nebhuth said...: Hi Bozo,

"Vietnam Reflections" I haven't listened for some time now but I recall it fondly.

After hearing "Impressions" - my first exposure to Coltrane, was such an deep experience - I got "Live in Seattle" as a second. And then I really tried to get more from Coltrane eagerly.
"Meditations" I had to search for some years. In fact I didn't know about the album until 1996 whe I started to work at the music-store where I'm still active.

And "Conquistador" is dear to my heart. Last time I've listened to it was around last Christmas. What a line-up - wuite a dream-team for me and they hit it.

And that's pretty much what I was listening the last several weeks - in no particular order:

- John Surman - Morning Glory
- Woody Shaw, Louis Hayes ‎– The Tour Volume One
- Hopper / Dean / Tippett / Gallivan ‎– Cruel But Fair
- Al Neil Trio ‎– Retrospective - 1965-1968
- JACK Quartet plays Rodericus / Carter / Crawford Seeger / Haas
- Arditti Quartet plays Nunes / Zimmerlin / Feldman / Lachenmann
- Steve Swell Quintet ‎– Soul Travelers
- Sir Charles Thompson ‎– Takin' Off
- PaPaJo ‎– Spielä
- Randy Weston's African Rhythms ‎– Niles Littlebig
- Arthur Williams ‎– Forgiveness Suite
- Peter Kuhn ‎– No Coming, No Going – The Music of Peter Kuhn 1978-1979
- Irmler, Oesterhelt ‎– Formen
- Michel Portal ‎– Splendid Yzlment
- Michaela Melián ‎– Electric Ladyland
- Sylvie Courvoisier - Mark Feldman - Ikue Mori - Evan Parker ‎– Miller's Tale
- Fred Frith Trio ‎– Another Day In Fucking Paradise
- Eric Revis Trio ‎– Crowded Solitudes
- Sei Miguel ‎– (Five) Stories Untold
- Stephen Clarke + The JACK Quartet plays Horațiu Rădulescu
- Per Age Brandt / Karsten Vogel ‎– Cry!
- Pascal Niggenkemper Le 7ème Continent ‎– Talking Trash
- Parrinha / Lopes / Jacinto ‎– Garden
- Orchestra Eddie Sauter ‎– Eddie Sauter's Music Time
- Hugh Levick / Quatuor Diotima ‎– The Unimagined: Preparations For The Unknown
- Cadentia Nova Danica ‎– August 1966 Jazzhus Montmartre
- Finn Von Eyben ‎– Plays Finn Von Eyben
- Dmitri Shostakovich, Quatuor Danel (only the quartets no. 7, 8 and 12)
- Mangelsdorff & Mangelsdorff ‎– Early Discoveries
- Ole-Henrik Moe - Arditti Quartet ‎– Vent Litt Lenger
- Lucien Dubuis, Barry Guy, Alfred Vogel ‎– Heavy Metal Rabbit
- Gordon Beck Trio ‎– Gyroscope
- Henry Threadgill, Ensemble Double Up ‎– Old Locks And Irregular Verbs
- Joe Harriott Quintet - Jazz For Moderns

and an obscure 7" educational (for imporvising) vinyl called " Lilli Friedemann ‎– Einstiege In Neue Klangbereiche Durch Gruppenimprovisation".

"Black Paladins" with Jarman, Moye and Dyani I was listening at a friends place some month ago.; 11 August 2016 at 12:25:00 CEST
Andy said...: Dear Tantris and Kinabalu and Sotise. Thank you so much for your very kind responses. I can't quite seem to get my head in order to reply and make any sense at the moment, but I will soon. Apologies.; 12 August 2016 at 23:52:00 CEST
miloo2 said...: Hi, I created facebook group for various announcements and discussions

https://www.facebook.com/groups/158913741208272/?fref=nf

Join :: Thanks; 15 August 2016 at 12:30:00 CEST
Ernst Grgo Nebhuth said...: OK - you've did it - joined ;-); 15 August 2016 at 15:45:00 CEST
Bobzo said...: I was going to mention Some Other Stuff, but Bobby Hutcherson-RIP: this is bad news-he was great,indeed!; 16 August 2016 at 17:56:00 CEST
chucklin'zobyrd said...: We had fun playing Donald Byrd's "Off To the Races" last night. Prestige and Blue Note classics will always lift your spirits, get you groovin' and mellow you right out, no matter what the time or situation. Donald Byrd, it's helpful to remember, had Lester Bowie among his fans! Jackie Mac sounded great,as usual, and Pepper Adam's bari added a great touch to the proceedings; what with Kelly,Jones and Art Taylor keeping things stoked.
Double-checking Bobby Hutcherson on "zon for stuff I may have missed, I realized I hadn't checked out a lot of later stuff of his, especially after the great groups with Harold Land.[Whose "The Fox" is one-of-those hidden whoppers out there];any suggestions,Solar Citizens?; 17 August 2016 at 11:18:00 CEST
Singin' in the rain-zoid said...: Just a quick word to Tantris - Noticed you mentioned Brahms Lieder; when my love of classical reawakened 12 years ago or so I would have never thought I would turn into a opera fan, but I have!, and then slowly but surely was able to enjoy a much wider range of choral music also. Except for a bit of Schubert/DF-G stuff ,lieder is still an unexplored area for me. I Love Brahms 2nd and 3rd symphonies a lot,I'm about 50/50 on his piano music, but thanks to you I will investigate his songs.
Onx, great playlist- one question- What is that Cadentia Nova 66 thing? Album, tape? Never heard of it. How 'bout switching to Bobby Hutcherson's picture at the top of the site? Good way to honor our fallen musical heroes!; 18 August 2016 at 16:03:00 CEST
Tantris said...: Hello Singin' in the rain-zoid -

Here's something you might be interested in. It's an orchestral arrangement of Brahms' 'Vier ernste Gesänge', by the modern German composer Detlev Glanert, which I think is very successful;

Detlev Glanert:
4 Präludien und Ernste Gesänge für Bariton und Orchester (2004/05) nach "Vier Ernste Gesänge" op. 121 von Johannes Brahms

Russell Braun (Bariton)
Radio-Sinfonieorchester Stuttgart
Leitung: Stéphane Denève
Stuttgarter Liederhalle, 15th April 2016

Brahms4EG_1

Also, if you want a good version of the normal arrangement for bass voice and piano, the Wigmore Hall live version with Robert Holl & Roger Vignoles is a good 'un, for not a lot of money;

https://wigmore-hall.org.uk/wigmore-hall-live/schumann-pfitzner-and-brahms-cd0015

Cheers, Tantris; 18 August 2016 at 19:28:00 CEST
Tanned said...: Thanks,T-really appreciate it.ANy fan's of Ginastera's cello music out there? Many eons ago I was lucky enough to stand in the back at a concert featuring his wife on cello. Truly unforgettable performance.I know there must be european radio shows coming out-the-kazoo for classical-lovers!; 18 August 2016 at 22:41:00 CEST
Andy said...: Wouldn't you know it? The only time I've ever posted anything which I've downloaded. Sorry guys, as akaboshi14 pointed out,on the Louis Stewart album tracks 5 and 6 were the same. Unfortunately, I don't have the wherewithal to correct things so I've deleted it rather than offer something not right. The original download must have been like that. So if anyone does have Louis Stewart - I Thought About You, in it's completeness, a contribution would be most welcome. Thanks, and apologies.; 21 August 2016 at 01:11:00 CEST
Andy said...: Going back to my query and helpful comments from Tantris and Kinabalu re converting music files. I've honed my confusion (or realisation) down to this: If I have an audio disc made from an mp3 file which I want to upload, I would rip it as a wav for an identical copy. If I ripped it as mp3 it would be a lesser, lossier copy. Correct?
ps Are most people not burning their downloads to cdr? And not having boxes and boxes of the bloody things? What is the preferred way of listening from files to hifi? Thanks; 2 September 2016 at 23:59:00 CEST
miloo2 said...: Andy, once it is lossy mpeg (mp3), it will never ever will became lossless anything. You can convert to anything, the loss is there during the way. Easy.; 3 September 2016 at 05:47:00 CEST
miloo2 said...: If you will convert flac to wav and burn it out to cd, it is full CD quality information, as flac is lossless comprimation format. Mp3 (ogg, aac, wma [microsoft, not compatible with anything], m4a [apple, not compatible with anything]) is lossy. About https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3; 3 September 2016 at 05:54:00 CEST
Nick said...: Hi Andy

You can play files from your PC to your stereo through software (e.g. Foobar can play pretty much every file type and resolution) and a DAC (digital-to-analogue converter). These can range from USB sticks (Audioquest Dragonfly, Cambridge Dacmagic) to high end units costing thousands. You can plug a mini RCA cable from the USB stick to amp, pre-amp or headphone amp, or some models include a headphone driver in the stick.

Otherwise amps may have digital inputs that you can connect to directly, e.g. I have my mini-PC linked via S/PDIF and a Toslink cable to the amp.

I have all my music files - including backups! - on external hard drives in our study and also networked to the mini-PC in the living room.; 4 September 2016 at 18:45:00 CEST
Andy said...: Hey, thanks so much Nick. That's really helpful. Some new words to google. Appreciated.; 5 September 2016 at 00:04:00 CEST
Tantris said...: Hello Andy;

On your first question. There is a hierarchy from lossless formats (eg, wav, aiff, dsd, alac), to lossy formats (eg, mp3). You can reduce the size of a file by moving from lossless to lossy, but this also reduces the resolution quality of the audio. However, even if you go backwards in the hierarchy, and upsample a lossy file to a lossless format, you can’t improve the audio quality. If a file is already in mp3 format, just stick with that. Audio quality is determined by the resolution of the source.

Within lossless files, there is also a hierarchy, from higher resolution (eg wav at 24bit / 172 kHz, DSD at 1 bit / 5.6mHz) or to lower resolution (eg CD quality at 16 bit / 44.1 kHz), but many people say that can’t hear any difference at the higher resolutions. There is also a hierarchy of quality in mp3 files – 320kbps is much better than 128kbps, for example.
A flac file is a compressed version of any of these file formats, to save storage space on a hard disk – it is uncompressed back to the original format when it is played back (a bit like a zip file).

On your second question. There are many ways to play audio files on a computer through a hi fi, some of which have been described by Nick. In addition, if you have a wifi network, you can stream the audio from your computer into a DAC, which can be connected to your amplifier (or integrated into your amplifier). I have an old valve amp, so I stream from my computer to an Apple TV box (version 3, with an optical output), which connects to a DAC, which is connected to the amplifier. Neither the Apple TV, nor the DAC were expensive, and there are cheaper options than the Apple TV if you look around. Alternatively, you can buy a dedicated streamer, which connects to your wifi, includes a DAC, and which can be connected to the amplifier. The attraction of some of these devices is that they can retain the resolution of the files being streamed (eg, 24 bit / 96 kHz), whereas the Apple TV will downsample the audio stream to 24 bit (or 16 bit) / 44.1kHz.

I hope this helps,

-- T; 5 September 2016 at 11:19:00 CEST
Andy said...: @Tantris. Yes that helps a lot. Thank you.

But (sorry) I need to be quite clear. In the situation I described, wouldn't ripping what was an mp3 file on a cdr as an mp3 be like photocopying a photocopy ie inferior to the original? If so, that is why I suggest ripping as a wav. I know it doesn't make it better, but it doesn't make it worse.

Thanks very much for you time. Andy; 5 September 2016 at 23:15:00 CEST
Tantris said...: Hello again Andy,

My understanding is that copying a file is not like photocopying a photocopy, as you will get a copy of the original file, not a slightly degraded copy.

-- T; 6 September 2016 at 09:15:00 CEST
Andy said...: @Tantris. Thanks again. You're going to hate me, but I'm going to embarrass myself one more time in slightly different words.

If Gus records a gig on his minidisc player as an mp3 file the sound is compressed. Gus copies that recording onto a cdr and sends it to me. I want to upload this to share on the great Inconstant Sol. If I rip it as a mp3, will it not compress it further? So I'm inclined to rip it as a wav for an exact copy.

Similarly, if I've downloaded an mp3 file, burned to a disc, deleted the file...then later want to share etc etc

I'll get there.; 6 September 2016 at 19:56:00 CEST
Tantris said...: Hi Andy - I'll stick my neck out, and say that in both of those circumstances, you'll get an exact copy of the original mp3 file, and won't compress it further. If you upsample it to a wav file, you'll simply get a larger file (but there is no harm in doing so, and it's definitely worth listening to both, in case you can hear a difference). If anyone thinks differently, please correct me if I'm wrong!

Cheers, T; 6 September 2016 at 21:11:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: I want to correct a possible misunderstanding here, Igor if you are still reading..... this is for you everyone who has ripped a lot of vinyl and researched the basics of doing so knows that , for one thing the programs that assess the probability of lossiness in files , are not infallible ... i'll give you an example i once ripped a Mary Lou Williams record from the 70's and Traders Little helper determined that 2 of the tracks were mpeg with 95% probability ..... Impossible given that the files had not been processed in anyway .... the program was simply wrong!.....

which brings me to my next point using too much noise reduction, de crackle , and compression , and pouring digital syrup over a vinyl rip is guaranteed to produce a reading of lossiness, people are unfortunately now conditioned by the heavily compressed sound of Modern Mastering particularly in Popular musics, and Classical music... so that is the sound they come to think of as good ... everything for maximum presence , no light an shade or space around individual instruments.... Igor's accusation of beefing up Mp3's found on rutracker or whatever is absurd... how can you know that anyway with any certainty ?

Vitko is at most using to much syrup .. and his volume levels are almost hot , not enough for distortion... but too loud for my taste, but so are many peoples .. that is conditioning from CD mastering in the last 20 years... even Jazz is afflicted to a certain extent Rudy Van Gelders digital re masters sound horrible to my ears compared to what he had originally achieved in the Analog era...but tastes change , fashion dictates....remember drum machines and electronic drums back in the 80s , i thought they sucked ... but everyone was doing it...just like every pop band is now using pitch altering programs for voices, one reason they all sound so anodyne... Bob Dylan, Neil Young , Nina Simone , and dozens of iconic legends occasionally sang out of tune without the music suffering particularly ... so it all comes down to fashion amongst record producers

Besides Igor -Anon/ Anon Igor who appointed you lossless chief of police???? its all a matter of personal taste .... personally i'll take a crackly lp over the pristine airless compressed sound of most modern CDS any..day .....
someone accused me of Stealing lucky's MP3's of Paul Bleys Mr Joy once and passing them off as lossless, simply because the waveform was the same... the Waveform is an indicator of the music nothing else .... ignorance is blissfully rampant everywhere especially amongst collectors of other peoples Vinyl rips !!; 11 September 2016 at 08:53:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: i hope i made it clear that i dont believe Vitko is cheating , and that perhaps you Igor are ignorant, not He.... how much Vinyl have you ripped ? and shared.... to me the Anal lossless police running round filesharing sites with their measuring tools for quantifying lossiness is abhorrent... especially when they dont know what they are talking about...

...F..kwits.. waving their graphs and wave forms ... one of the reasons i no longer share in public .....i say get a fucking life , read a good book go and engage in some cunnilingus or sodomy ...grow some broad beans!

Listen to what you already have... buy some records...stop amassing terabytes of files others have shared which will sit on a drive unlistened to.

hopefully this comment will pass muster with the mod,s i am no longer one myself , i'm sick of Igor/anons presumptuous, abusive ignorance ....

Another thing just occurred to me .. do an experiment if you are using Traders little helper .. Rip a record at say 24-48, instead of the usual 16-44, then downsample to regular wavs , half of the time or more the files will be read as probably lossy....in fact such a program cannot accurately measure or even read the lossiness of a file larger than 16-44 wav

Igor finally i want to spell it out just my own humble opinion , iI dont buy your lossless idealism as a motive for a nasty vicious attack .... i think you are either jealous or ... i'll leave the rest to your imagination; 11 September 2016 at 09:24:00 CEST
miloo2 said...: Sotise! Well.; 11 September 2016 at 11:49:00 CEST
miloo2 said...: Nod Y - I arleady announced earlier I will upload mp3 @ 320 version from musica degradata. I can not upload it now anywhere else than on mega. Creating account there will cost you approx. 1 minute and dowloading works almost perfectly and quickly with their MegaSync extension. Otherwise you can go to http://musicadegradata.blogspot.cz/2013/01/contact-trio-double-face-1975.html and try unfriendly rapidgator, as I did.; 12 September 2016 at 10:42:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: sotise,
actually i really have no desire to discuss on this topic further here. But since you are addressing some of your words to me, i'll answer them.
They are obviously come from your slight view on what exactly lossy and lossless formats are and how to distingish one from another technically issue; what the transcode is and why people do that kind of stuff. Trader little helper? - never heard about this thing and decidedly it isn't a good helper for the one who's willing to check his audio-files, if it's unable to generate spectrograms. You should use the soft, which allows you to check spectrograms to see the guts of the files - their frequencies, like Adobe Audition, Spek, Audacity, Izotope, Sonic Visualiser etc.
Here's some info on subject, which is a better "little helper" for that matter: https://www.whatinterviewprep.com/prepare-for-the-interview/spectral-analysis/
https://www.reddit.com/r/skrillex/comments/3l0yxp/how_to_determine_the_true_quality_of_an_audio_file/

And here's a table of peak frequencies for mp3 CBR, when Lame encoder is used (except it's old versions, like 3.93.1):
320 kbps ~ 20000-20500 Hz
256 kbps ~ 19500-19700 Hz
224 kbps ~ 19000-19400 Hz
192 kbps ~ 18000-19000 Hz
160 kbps ~ 16500-17500 Hz
128 kbps ~ 16000 Hz
112 kbps ~ 14000-15000 Hz
The data presented in each case may differ slightly in one direction or another depending on the version of the encoder, encoding parameters (there is even a setting that changes the value of the limit frequency), and even the material itself.
There can be other data when Fraunhofer codec is used, which is a lot less popular, than Lame. Although, for example, Fraunhofer encoder is built in iTunes.
(to be continued...)

Igor; 14 September 2016 at 19:36:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: (continuation)
Anyway, i've put quite a few links in previous comments for people to eye the guts of Vitko's bubble-files, did you check them out? I bet, even if you did, you had no idea what it's all about there, saying "i don't believe Vitko is cheating" and telling about waveforms, while i'm pointing on a different way of representing the sound...it's never too late to improve your own knowledge i'd say.
To be fair, there is such a conception like "lossy mastering" to note, but, like "clipping", it is a modern days trend, that's true - there was no such crap in the old times. And as for the standart 22000Hz+ frequency peak level for 16-44 lossless files - yes, there are exceptions, for example, i've noticed some rips of early 80s Soul Note records have ~20800Hz peaks, though they are from real CDs, but when someone provides regularly "lossless" files with from 13 to 20khz cut-offs, there's only one explanation of such a phenomenon and it has been given. And if in addition to that he obviously grabs some fotos of LPs from ebay and other online-stores (yes, he does), then marks them like "made by me", no doubt you come to be on the "illusionist" show.
How can i be sure Vitko took CD-rips from rutracker and had put them in his blog under the guise of LPs? I've made metadata comparison, using CUETools, you can check the reports - it's all there, if you haven't noticed. You can download the soft and the files and check them by yourself, paying attention to dates of corresponding uploads on rutracker and DPIMR. Arm with the tools and info i suggest, and try an experimental method to be able to assess the situation adequately, cause now you're not.
By the way, i didn't call Vitko ignorant, that bombshell was launched to Andy's pool good-naturedly!)). Regarding Vitko's nasty practice i used the word profanation, and i also called this man a hypocrite among the other definitions. Besides those i must add one more: a coward.
Jealous? Of what? Vitko's fame and glory?)) I'm not that egocentric, sotice). It could be suitable, say for Lucky, who appeared with this sick sentence: "And if he feels the need to cheat to get more attention, I can understand that, too - why not? Don't we all need compliments to get going? Didn't you ever cheat, Igor?" (in other words saying "to cheat and lie for collecting compliments is absolutely OK"). Ego is like a wild horse. I try to tame mine.
One of my buddies was followed DPIMR for some time, he has a slow internet speed and is limited to 500mb and 5$ a day. Sure thing there are more people who have their limitations around, but who sees them except wide-eyed Bozo here?
Lossless idealist? You treat me wrong. I'm just a guy in "F..k the hypocrisy" t-shirt.

As for the digital greediness you're blaming and life hacks which were provided i'm totally agree with you...there also are some momentous perfect hit thoughts of yours in 9greychairs "So anyway" thread.
Regards,

Igor; 14 September 2016 at 19:42:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: Igor, just to specify i'm no friend of Vitko's,i once refused to link his blog here way back because he was mostly sharing available stuff, that said i have nothing against him i dont download much anymore because i have more than i can listen to....

I'm sorry if i was borderline abusive in those last comments, i just feel that you are overreacting ... how can you accuse someone of theft without proof... you are making a specific accusation that vitko's files are not ripped by him from his collection but stolen and passed off as lossy when they are not, i'm saying that heavy handed use of digital cleaning problems is the culprit... if you go back through the pages of this blog , i'm certain that many of mine and nick's and Ernst's vinyl rips show up as being Lossy through inexperience and in my case early on
pure and simple incompetence i didn't know what i was doing , it wasn't a matter of deliberate lossy mastering.. i personally believe that the less done in that respect the better..
The Stuff clearly comes from Vitko's collection... show me the Ebay store that he is taking his photos from... the photos are much larger than those used by sellers on Ebay.

The guy is sharing publicly and as far as i can see its clearly a labour of love ...whether or not one agrees with his choices is a different issue ... he is sharing ... my question is why take such palpable delight in tearing him down, casting aspersions and being downright nasty ... anyone spending so much time sharing and discussing the music they like deserves a modicum of respect...

i'm the opposite, i have a blind loathing of and contempt for big industrial file sharing operations like Avax and many others who make money from files with no regard for the Artists... so i'm grateful for personal blogs like vitko's ....surely You have better things to do with your time than constant carping, why dont you show us how its done? rip some rare vinyl and share it here in the contributions.

those programs you mention are all well and good but they are geared to windows and Mac which i no longer use, i switched to linux and can no longer use such programs nor would i want to
if something doesn't sound good who cares i have vinyl and cds to listen to.
Anyway good luck to you if the most you can do is run around policing the orthodoxy of other peoples digital files... Have you ever heard of Digital Rot?... its happening i have cds that no longer play , i have a criterion Ozu box set where 2 of the discs wont play through.
I have DVDS and CDs that will rip ok but wont play through.... NOTHING IS FOREVER in this life.

As in many areas WE HAVE BEEN SOLD A LIE... we are paying for worthless degradable bits of plastic, that were supposed to be durable, and superior in every way to vinyl.; 15 September 2016 at 02:05:00 CEST
Scraps said...: See, now, Igor, I can't get involved in this discussion, for the most part, because I haven't got the knowledge. But sometimes you say something like this:

'obviously grabs some fotos of LPs from ebay and other online-stores (yes, he does), then marks them like "made by me" '

Note the 'obviously', and note that you didn't do the proof. How do you know it's 'some fotos of LPs from ebay [made by others]'? You say 'obviously', you go on to say 'yes, he does', as though your doubling-down on your assertion makes us less likely to notice that you didn't provide proof.

Because you use language like 'coward' and 'hypocrite', and yet you skip the proof that I can check (not much!), so far, you look like Joseph McCarthy to me.

regards,
S.; 15 September 2016 at 02:12:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: I ought to have added our lives are so brief it seems like such a waste to spend them attacking others one doesn't agree with or spending ones time sniffing out un orthodoxy... love and respect are more rewarding .... i've come to believe that filesharing is a hollow souless activity at the level that many do it, amassing millions of files one can only gloss over and not even hear properly , or hear only in a distracted way until the next album comes along .... of course the same can be said of any material addiction ... and its understandable when one considers the life changing effect music can have .... the problem is quantity , and as a Japanese music loving record dealer once put it to me in conversation, there is a big difference between a music lover and a record collector!; 15 September 2016 at 02:20:00 CEST
Nick said...: I have a life, off-line, in which I try and care for people with PTSD, currently about 120 people out of around 210 that I try and care for overall. I have a personal life, off-line, in which my parents were hospitalized, then in long term care, my wife's mum died, her brother had a heart attack and my daughter nearly died. I have commented gently on this thread about context and perspective, but to be honest, if people have no perspective, I would prefer to exclude them from the site.

I have found most people here to be positive and encouraging, so I appreciate their contributions in return.; 15 September 2016 at 04:18:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: Nick, I'm sorry for your pain and loss , hopefully your daughter has recovered or is well on the way to doing so best wishes
Marc.....; 15 September 2016 at 06:19:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: oh ... Igor when i used the term jealous i wasn't referring to kudos for his blog or rips but to his record collection ... he obviously has some nice things.... as for Kudos who would do this for kudos , as far as i'm concerned all kudos go to musicians and Labels.....

another thought on what you call lossy mastering , its obviously much more common than people think since many commercial factory bought cd's and even lps show some mpeg content .... and its not just bootleg labels either... compression and other syrupy/ sweetening tools... seem to be the main culprit!; 15 September 2016 at 06:50:00 CEST
Lucky said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 15 September 2016 at 09:52:00 CEST
Beck-ola-zo said...: Nick, Best wishes for your daughter's health; hope she's getting better! There are things that are important, like the health of our loved ones, and then there is things that aren't! Since I missed the whole expensive coffee,tattoo,computer/social media download, sometimes I feel like I can contribute "outside the box" views here and there--but I'm sure I'm kidding myself! The intensity of this recent discussion has surprised me, but I've learned from it to...
That was a great point that record-collecting and being a music-lover can certainly clash; it's basically the story of my life! But I know I feel more love from my cats sitting on my chest asking for a scratch then I do when the latest box from Amazoid comes, even though I can't wait to open it![ On a job resume I once put occupation? record collector! but they didn't think that was funny.]
There is another site where where people keep track of the price used, scratchy Blue Notes and Prestiges go for-- and I'm thinking about all that extra cash to upgrade[?] your copy of Mobley's "The Flip" from a reissue to an "Original" could buy a whole lot of extra copies to give to people you meet and turn them on to jazz!
A bit of this last controversy also reminds me of guys with $30,000 hi-fi's who would NEVER play an old Bruno Walter if there life depended on it...Keep rockin' everyone!; 15 September 2016 at 13:56:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: @lUCKY... I LOVE YOU TOO MAN!!... let it be known that before 2006 i had never touched a computer,in either late 06 or early 07 a female friend desirous of convincing me of the error of my cynicism googled a record we were listening too (at my insistence)where upon we found ourselves alighting on a blog many may remember fondly Church#9 where people of like mind habitually thrilled to low quality mp3's of rare albums. ... one of those being Herr Lucky (Kinabalu, Glmlr and other friends and visitors here being among them), Luckyit turned out also had a very personal blog named Orange Aural..
The beginning of a cherished virtual friendship and exchange of ideas on just about anything !

... to cut to the main point Lucky taught me more than a few things about the mechanics of Blogging which was not as operationally smooth as it is now ... so if not for Lucky i'm almost certain we would not be here specifically, engaged in discussion or whatever this is now.... there would be no Inconstant Sol.... Lucky also briefly came on board for one week or so ... posting just one album...

I remember early on arguing the merits of Flac vs MP3... Lucky was contra for quite a while , whilst i became a lossless fanatic .. i NOW deeply regret shifting to FLACS.. in so many ways it was a mistake and Lucky it appears you and Antanase, and Boromir and many others arguing against the shift to FLAC were correct for various reasons!

... we the relatively few FLAC fascists . had no idea where it would lead... and it has lead to unsavory places and practices detrimental to a lot of artists and potential Artists..... what is the point of releasing a CD in any genre when within a few weeks in all likelihood if the music is good it will end up all over the web in full lossless glory with hi res scans etc ..
with file sharers and hosts making whatever money they can effectively robbing developing artists and labels of any income!...... circulation of files shared in public can hardly be contained ...a few good things have come from this culture i guess , places like destination out with the FMP digital store .....and Bandcamp in general ... question is who is buying? , quite a few great albums and musicians get very little paying custom ...

Back in late 06 early 07 people were absolutely ecstatic finding a rare Brotz or Frank Wright album at 120kb... frenzied excitement, discussion, euphoria in spades , are people any happier now with bulging hard drives full of FLACS, and a huge number of like minded blogs covering almost every release from the esoteric and oop to brand new releases or in some cases leaked pre releases..

NO i very much doubt it and to me it seems that much which was good about the community seems to have vaporised around the time of that change from lossy to lossless...

we have contributed to the disgusting growth of those hideous digital file factories like Avax and others where it seems people prefer to feed corporate filehosts therefore enriching the admins and themselves .. arguably siphoning money from labels and robbing artists effectively redirecting the funds to gangsters...

i'm as guilty as anyone its only the last 2 or 3 years that i have stopped paying filehosts for accounts..first it was rapidshare, then megaupload .. ifichier ... that said i never received a cent in return although rapidshare paid people in free accounts back then...... now Basta never again ... its 1.30 am

i'll call it quits now before this turns into some weepy Maoist public confession of political sins ...; 15 September 2016 at 17:39:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: sotice,
you distort my words describing Vitko, i never used those, like theft or stolen, and in this situation they aren't suitable in my mind. I've presented enough of proof to show the wrong perspectives of that room and to explain the definitions i really used regarding it's owner, and if you have a lack of understanding of some aspects and not able to make an analysis and check the evidence by yourself, how can you state that digital cleaning problems is the culprit in this particular case? By the way, i guess Audacity is ok with linux, and some of your early rips sound sharper and more detailed and are better to my ears than later versions, but
you shared what you called it.
I can see that in your and some others minds Vitko-the blogger is a good guy with the flowers in his hands, who creates something and makes people around happy, and Igor-anonymous is nothing but the bad one sniffing around, armed with incomprehensible measuring devices, who's being angry and jealous, person, which just barks and bites, and tries to ruin what the good fellow builds, some churlish meanie or whatever))). You're saying "i have a blind loathing of and contempt for big industrial file sharing operations like Avax and many others who make money from files with no regard for the Artists... so i'm grateful for personal blogs like vitko's", but firstly, it seems like Vitko switched from "available" to mostly "unavailable" content just couple of years ago, and the secondly, he switched to the bubble blowing, which again can be easily tested if desired. I, in turn, have a contempt to bubble-file sharing operations in DPIMR, with no actual regards for the followers, when the contributor is making up and fooling his audience, is it for money, or for compliments or whatever the hell he needs.
On the issue of the distribution of my personal energy, i'll tell you what. I live in a post-comunistic country with super high corruption level and many different society's diseases, and the undeclared war is going on, and much more maddening stuff i'm sick of. I can leave it and suck the coconut juice and the creole girl tit on the beach and enjoy the sea waves some peaceful place (actually i can't, i have my family to care of, it's figuratively). But i love the land i live and respect the fair people around and i understand that if there would be no one to denounce the vices, to protest and fight the system, then the corruptionists, and the conquerors, and the cheaters will suck the fresh blood out of the country and It will rot. Hope you will get my point and nature of my reaction.
As for the fotos from ebay, i saw some with special integrated data in some of Vitko's archives, for example, take a look on the one marked by him with an LP on the floor here http://differentperspectivesinmyroom.blogspot.com/2016/08/toshiyuki-miyama-and-new-herd-live-new.html#comment-form - this is zakz303's background http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Herd-Toshiyuki-Miyama-Perspective-Japan-LP-1976-Master-Sonic-SW-7031-Insert-/232058114984?hash=item3607bdd3a8:m:mptngr9EaR3wCBBZTA63eBQ . Why bothering to make a mark on ebay foto? The lossy guts of a track from the archive:
http://i84.fastpic.ru/big/2016/0915/77/345a0aa34e0343925599accc68d84c77.png
I don't care where the rest of the fotos came from, if you'll ask.

Scraps,
well, i gave the arguments in support of my words relatively to the issue in question, but honestly it's becoming like to dig up the dirt for me.

Let there be light and peace.

Igor; 15 September 2016 at 19:36:00 CEST
Nick said...: Hi and thanks for the caring. I've not met any of you in person, but do appreciate many of you. I was reacting to feeling that I come here for enjoyment and not to deal with someone else's anger over someone else's blog. I should follow my own advice and disengage from that. Displacing some hurt, probably.; 16 September 2016 at 02:40:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: Igor man yep i take your point the background is similar in Vitko's photo, perhaps even exactly the same, some of what you are saying though is absurd , a caricature of my perceptions , which i really don't accept or appreciate.... i as i said i dont know vitko, i haven't downloaded a file from his blog for at least 6 months... i dont believe he is a knight in shining Armour and that you are the prince of darkness i don't see things in black and white... the difference between vitko or any blog and a place like Avax is the personal nature of the reflections comments etc , you see or hear a distinctive voice who cares about what he is sharing ..

. i'm talking not just about Vitko's but most small blog's ... its the difference between junk food and a decent home cooked meal .... i really dont care if Vitko is cheating ... .... i care about Music , not digital files... i delete digital files , months ago i deleted at least a thousand records i had downloaded, many unlistened to...to me its utilitarian they are files... ... living to accumulate is not a rewarding way of existing ...

Even if you are correct in everything you say, who fucking cares ... not I, how you can compare the crime of faking losslessness in a digital file , with the oppression of a corrupt political system is beyond me ....incomprehensible really!.... perhaps you are Vitko for all i know and you have a massive self estime problem ... perhaps you and vitko are involved in some elaborate prank or hoax colluding out of boredom.... some kind of perverse wager....

as for photos from ebay in the early days of music blogs including this one people ripped their album to mp3, took a photo off the web.. and posted it , no flacs , no scans , no info file, the info was similarly cut and pasted ... the idea was that if you liked the Album, you would seek it out and buy it...if you were lucky you got a few ruminations of a personal nature by the blogger or more likely a cut and paste from AMG 'a Scott Yanow review... whatever.

i miss that era ...something has been lost ... when i say i hate Avax and industrial file sharer sites which that place typifies in my mind perhaps i exaggerate i simply dont go there..

its not the people or posters its the format the structure i find abhorrent ..people are just people doing what they can to get by.

but i have no desire to accumulate every cd ever released under an artists name ..... even if Vitko is deceiving people at least he is sharing his thoughts in a way that appears honest and personal... that deception is pretty low on my list of earth shaking crimes...; 16 September 2016 at 11:22:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: sotise,
oh, come on, are you kidding me?))) Of course, i don't measure one scale the effects from Vitko's tricks and from oppression of a corrupt political system, all i meant to say is that i'm an activist, man. It's in my mind, it's in my blood. That's the nature of my reaction on Vitko's doings, if one's wondering why the hell i came with my message and thoughts. Some see shit happens, say "oh, wtf..." and just pass by, some say "HEY, WTF?!" (Marc Maron's influence detected) and try to stop that, i've told this before.
If more participants of this discussion would at least know what the spectrogram shows, i wouldn't use so many letters and be forced to look at that blog's viscera so closely under the microscope myself to reveal it to the others, i don't find no pleasure or satisfaction in this. Some readers doesn't care if Vitko shares not what he calls it and decieves those who visit his place, some would like to be aware of that kind of things. As for the definitions were used, i call a spade a spade, if i see a spade.

And the last. Avax is the people. The system is the people. The devastation is in the heads.
Thank you sincerely for the music and some great thoughts. I really do appreciate them.

Igor; 16 September 2016 at 16:31:00 CEST
File Mignon,your zoness? said...: Moderators report for duty! Moderators report for duty! On an outer space site I belong to, they would never let this get so out-of-hand. This place needs to maintain it's dignity [no snickering, please!]. It's called Inconstant Sol, not The Uranus files...
Seriously, this site is long since become one of the top go-to places for history, background, collected knowledge and even sometimes wisdom, on a very important piece of the musical-pie; someday scholars and fans alike will be using it as a reference, so let's all get back to music and fun. I know the clown says some stupid stuff,too,so no-finger-pointing, let's get back to telling Andy how great his tapes are,A.O. !zo; 16 September 2016 at 22:51:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: yeah right Bozo Mignon.... we have spent too much time here discussing someone else's policeman predilections... Bozo did you know that mignon means cute in French?; 17 September 2016 at 00:49:00 CEST
Lucky said...: Nick - I come her for enjoyment, too. When I read what sotise writes about the blogging past and also about me, I feel great warmth and love, something which I rarely tell anybody, except very close people.

In the early time of my blogging activities I was a big admirer of Moogpower - I rarely liked the music he posted, but I adored his positivity, his openness and kind replies to commenters. I guess that's how I want to be: kind and positive, not cynical, aggressive or bitter. I prefer to focus on people I care for, sometimes I only try.

sotise, I LOVE YOU, TOO - especially your wonderful passion! :); 17 September 2016 at 01:39:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: Hi,
i'm surprised unpleasant enough how jazz & progressive music -in general- listeners & intellectuel persons as well, have such flexible ethics (Vitko et cie) . I was also surprised that persons in the same vein, have such confusion in their heads for defend such practice,like nothing was happened .
Sorry i also have an opinion (like an asshole as Dirty Harry said).
I consider that when somebody share something , make it as it is, not disguise a Trabant to Maserati ( last upload of V. -V. for vendetta?- is in 16 96 . What technological achievement is this ?, i really can't understand) .It isn't only cheating by itself but it's abuse of confidence, if i express it clear.
I also consider that when somebody use these dirty tricks, the least we can do is to turn our thumb down & show him our middle finger lift up. So simply.
There is only ONE REASON to applaud V. - Lord, set a guard upon my lips- .
He is the INVENTOR of "fFLAC" or " F-l-AC". Applaud, or spit at him. Choice is yours.
And V. return straight to kindergarten, music isn't for underages from view.
Arnold

PS. I want to make a question if you permitted it,
How many (%) of In ConstantSol's uploads is FLAC ?
How many (%) of In ConstantSol's uploads is fFLAC or in common words monkey business?
Your response in just two numbers is pretty enough for me , not to be fatigue for me
thank you for great music lossless or lossy but not for - if there is- counterfeit Luis Vuitton bags.; 17 September 2016 at 18:21:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: All my uploads from day one Igor were false FLAC taken from rutracker ,bandcamp streams , avax.... just to Fuck with d...s ,like you ... you had better go back and analyze the files... produce, perhaps even publish a report, to submit to the File Sharing Commissioner... section 3-21, free improvisation, jazz and other sundry non-popular musics of the later half of the 20,century; 18 September 2016 at 11:40:00 CEST
Lucky said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 21 September 2016 at 15:06:00 CEST
Kpopzo said...: Ahhh, A week and a half of quiet, how nice. So peaceful here; like listening to Cage's "4.33' in a spring meadow...; 2 October 2016 at 15:45:00 CEST
Ernst Grgo Nebhuth said...: Something else.....

I wish you all a
HAPPY NEW YEAR 2017 :-); 31 December 2016 at 22:49:00 CET
Anonymous said...: Post:
http://inconstantsol.blogspot.com/2017/01/franz-koglmann-use-of-memory-1991.html
is offline. Problems or in print? I have the CD, if necess.
Ciao.; 12 January 2017 at 15:05:00 CET
miloo2 said...: Re: Koglmann - Use of Memory - I had the problem publishing comment with link - says Bad request - Error 400. Anybody experienced the same?; 12 January 2017 at 20:08:00 CET
jeff said...: Hi all at Sol
Have been pouring through all the orchiddoctor recordings I have and doing alot of listening and some research. I was checking some info on your AEC post of '76 Empty Foxhole. Holy shit some of the things I don't have from that list carville put up!! But anyways orchiddoctor himself put up an email for any questions and in all honesty I tried to email him today, but the email is no longer good. Scoured the web and haven't seen many signs of him in the last couple of years.
Really I was just sending an email to say hi and tell him how much I appreciate his recordings (because they are pretty great) and just send thanks and well wishes.
Sadly, typed up this letter hit send and it failed.
Didn't know if anyone here kept in touch w/ him or carville so I could forward it.
Just put a bit of thought and time into it and would like it to reach him if at all possible. Any help would be appreciated.
thanks; 22 February 2017 at 13:01:00 CET
martin said...: (Belated) Many happy returns on your 10th birthday.; 25 February 2017 at 11:58:00 CET
Anonymous said...: Why, on occasion, does a post to your blog turn up listed in other blogs that is not current but 2-3 days ahead of your current blog? I'm not crazy. It's happened several times.; 1 June 2017 at 16:36:00 CEST
Ernst Grgo Nebhuth said...: This happens when I prepare a post for a later date and give it it a try wether it works as I intended. Then I put it back to draft status. That's all.; 1 June 2017 at 17:19:00 CEST
Farmer Allan said...: Just noticed that I've been shutout of DARKER SHADE of BLUE since mid-September. Can someone tell me how or where to request re-admittance? Or is there bad news? Thanks! And thanks for this wonderful blog?; 19 October 2017 at 14:33:00 CEST
Ernst Grgo Nebhuth said...: Darker Shade Of Blue has gone private.
One could ask for membership some days before it went underground.; 19 October 2017 at 16:46:00 CEST
correct silence said...: Here is an interesting story. Some month ago I have downloaded from « different perspectives in my room » the rip of Phil Woods And His European Rhythm Machine « Live At Montreux 72 », here is the link to this post made by Vitko:
http://differentperspectivesinmyroom.blogspot.fr/2016/12/phil-woods-and-his-european-rhythm.html
If you check you can see that this post is from December 22, 2016 and it is described as a flac version, it means lossless and yes the weight of the file is 508 mo.
I never owned this lp but a friend of mine did and I was almost sure that this lp was not in mono but in stereo, but the file provided by Vitko is in mono. This morning I wanted to check if my memory was right and started to search on the web to find if eventually someone have posted some extracts of this lp on youtube. Nobody have posted it on youtube but I found another rip of this lp from GeroviJazz, a blog unknown to me, here is the link:
http://gerovijazz-jazzfan37.blogspot.fr/2011/12/phil-woods-european-rhythm-machine-live.html
The post is from December 2011 and is in fact an update of an older post from 2009. The file is an mp3 and the weight is less than 50 mo, so it is a 192 or 128. It didn’t matter because I just wanted to check the question of the mono or stereo of the original recording. But when I compared the two files, my surprise was big to notice that it was the same. The first track start suddenly in both case and in the end of this track, surface noises of both lp are exactly the same. No doubt when you compare carefully with earphones, it is exactly the same file. The problem is that the post made by Vitko is not the older but the recent one, you see what I mean?
So how many post made by Vitko and described as lossless are in fact files in mp3 that comes from others blogs?
It seems that for some people the fact to create a blog is more a showcase of narcissism: « Wow you have a endless record collection man! » But how is the value of a narcissism built on fake? You could reply that it doesn’t matter because those are free downloads, yes it is precisely because it is free and that there is no financial stake that it is ridiculous to lie. That is why I say that for this guy, the purpose is less sharing music than find a recognition.; 27 October 2017 at 14:11:00 CEST
propylaen2001 said...: A Darker Shade Of Blue Revisit seems to have morphed into an invitation only blog.
I'd appreciate if someone could send me an invitation. Thanks in advance.; 2 November 2017 at 13:41:00 CET
Ernst Grgo Nebhuth said...: Hi propylaen2001 - if you send me an email address I'll forward your request.
You can mail me via my blooger account - as usual ;-); 2 November 2017 at 17:29:00 CET
Unknown said...: So, . . . I was ill. Nothing terminal and I'm better now. Hooray. And I 'm off the meds. Hooray . . . except that . . . I suddenly don't understand a whole lot of the music I used to listen to. And I have started to enjoy stuff I wasn't interested in before (Haydn's Piano Trios, Mats Ek, Jiri Kylian etc).
Its very disconcerting.
Has anybody else had this happen?; 18 April 2018 at 18:05:00 CEST
Scraps said...: I had that experience, ten years ago, when I had a stroke. Even more, lots of foods and drinks that I used to enjoy suddenly I disliked, and vice versa.; 19 April 2018 at 00:24:00 CEST
miloo2 said...: Yeah friends. It might be temporary, or we can call it dimensional shift. I am experiening same from time to time, but usually it has temporary character.; 19 April 2018 at 10:42:00 CEST
Ernst Grgo Nebhuth said...: Hi Marten - I've similar experiences. Not as 'heavy' as it seems to be for you.
In general I strongly prefer instrumental music. But about three or four times a year I have!! to listen to music with vocals. Mostly Bach or other baroque and/or music from the renaissance. Even some arias from specific operas - but not any recitatives at all which I completely dislike.
Then also Billie Holiday (she's so great) or some other Jazz or Pop vocalists.
After a few days my longing for the human voice has diminished and I go back to my ususal musical diet.

Also I tend to have phases were I need specific food. F.e. I've had for about one year a ravenousness for spring onions. I ate them every single day.; 19 April 2018 at 13:32:00 CEST
Scraps said...: Addendum from previous post: when I said “I had that experience, ten years ago, when I had a stroke”, most of it was permanent. It was weird, but I’ve gotten used to it (especially where the effects of the stroke is much more serious: speak badly, aphasia, right side permanently paralyzed, etc).; 19 April 2018 at 15:03:00 CEST
correct silence said...: @Lucky
You supposed that this post made on the « perspective » was not available on cd.
http://differentperspectivesinmyroom.blogspot.com/2018/04/francioli-bovard-musique-2lp-1984.html
But it is absolutely available on cd and also on download, see this page for the cd
https://www.discogs.com/fr/Bovard-Bourquin-Francioli-Clerc-BBFC-1982-1987/release/11227699
It is the 2nd cd on the box set and all the box set is available as an mp3 download. on the most famous commercial company called amazon I’m almost sure that the version of the « perspective » comes from the cd or from the download, not from an lp.
It is here that I post this information because in addition to practicing lies, the man from the « perspective » also practices censorship; 15 June 2018 at 19:12:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: Hi Friends … I believe the Leaders of the anglophone countries and other vassals … lets be clear those who support and demand a unipolar US/NATO empire including western corporate media on the supposed left and right

Are constantly at every opportunity pushing the view that Russia hacked the US elections... those same Media corporations having vested interests in War Profiteering industries... appear to me to be doing everything to sabotage a possible détente between the worlds two most powerful nuclear states....

in the interests of countervailing the almost unanimous synchronized constant stream of propaganda it is imperative to counter these narratives...
One of the Architects of this narrative is former director of intelligence James Clapper..
The Man who denied before a congressional committee that the NSA (American National Security Agency)that the agency was engaging in whole sale spying on the American people

James Clapper is a congenital liar and racist to boot .. and yet he is so often quoted by every liberal Newspaper from the Guardian UK to the abominable NYT and Washington Post as a reliable authority.
Here are a couple of quotes and clips of this psychopath in action.

"And just the historical practices of the Russians, who typically, are almost genetically driven to co-opt, penetrate, gain favor, whatever, which is a typical Russian technique,”
https://observer.com/2017/05/james-clapper-russia-xenophobia/

and another from an Australian National Press Club appearance
http://www.anu.edu.au/news/all-news/speech-professor-james-clapper-ao-address-to-the-national-press-club

“But as far as our being intimate allies, trusting buds with the Russians that is just not going to happen,” Clapper said. “It is in their genes to be opposed, diametrically opposed to the United States and to Western democracies.”

As someone who has read Russian Literature, listened to Russian Music and has an awareness of Russian history and Eugenics...it is clear that war mongering Clapper is a a dangerous disgraceful eugenicist liar.....
take a look at the headlines people... wake up!

cheers for reading …
S; 20 July 2018 at 04:46:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: here are some great articles featuring testimony and work by former NSA directors, Cia people turned whistle blowers dismantling in concise terms the absurd Russia hack-conspiracy Psy-Op...

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/william-binney-ray-mcgovern-and-other-intel-experts-call-russian-hacking-allegations-baseless/

https://www.mintpressnews.com/intelligence-agenecy-veterans-challenge-russia-hack-evidence/230086/

https://www.truthdig.com/videos/william-binney-cybersecurity-and-the-new-cold-war-are-big-swindles-video-and-transcript/

https://consortiumnews.com/2016/12/12/us-intel-vets-dispute-russia-hacking-claims/

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-hacking-intelligence-20170105-story.html

http://www.independentsentinel.com/nsa-whistleblower-thinks-he-has-proof-dnc-hack-was-a-leak-not-a-hack/; 20 July 2018 at 12:27:00 CEST
Rev. bIGhIG said...: Jeez, my coffee just blew out my nose!
Thanks, Vlad. Funny stuff!; 20 July 2018 at 18:27:00 CEST
correct silence said...: My english level is not very good, I wonder Sottise if you just want to report the words of James Clapper or if you think that this whole story of Russian interference is invented. It seems that there is still evidence of intrusion into the computers of the Democratic Party and that these pirates have a connection with Russia.

But it is true that Clapper's remarks are not only racist but also wrong because we know that in terms of geopolitics, everyone spies on everyone and those who have great means never deprive themselves of using them. Has the N S A not been spying on some European governments recently? Must we conclude that it is in the genes of the American people to insinuate themselves everywhere, including in those who are theoretically alienated?; 21 July 2018 at 13:13:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: @Correct Silence ... I do not believe that any evidence of Russian Collusion has been presented.
its all hearsay the Corporate media never present definitive evidence , they are in fact colluding with the security state and intelligence services to derail any possibility of leaks... if you follow the links ive provided and read what former intelligence agencies have to say , and how they demonstrate painstakingly that it was a leak not a hack ....
a tell tale sign of cognitive infiltration by intelligence agencies is that they all refer to and rely upon unnamed intelligence sources.....it is not coincidental that the Media has intensified its attacks on Wikileaks and Julian Assange personally , lying by omission, repeatedly smearing his character ....

remember this is a man who is virtually a prisoner of conscience trapped in a now hostile environment unable to leave for fear of extradition or worse .... so far the only charges against him are that he skipped out on a bail hearing taking refuge in the Ecuadorian embassy while fearing for his life after an attempted frame up based on phony allegations of rape in Sweden which have since been completely dropped...

People skip bail all the time.. the British Government has to date spent over 10 million pounds on policing the embassy to make sure they nab him should he try to escape .... he is not even allowed visits by medical practitioners.....or sunlight he sits caged in a small cramped room cut off from the outside world.... vilified by all and sundry for exposing the crimes of the global industrial military complex , and shining a light on some very dark crimes...
He has repeatedly said that the DNC emails were not hacked but leaked... though he will not divulge that source... and has indeed never blown the cover of a source.
One would expect journalists who have used wikileaks so comprehensively to defend him and press freedom in general , instead they attack the messenger with a ferocity that has seldom been paralled... brainwashing people with their relentless smears , including that he is a putinist-Russian Agent agent .... JOE MCCARTHY'S GHOST ... as well as Josef Goebbels's shade must be impressed by this unified propaganda witch hunt.

Why would the media do this .... because by and large they are owned by corporate interests who wish to perpetuate war for their own financial interests...

Therefore even those supposedly left liberal corporates like the Guardian who once profited from wikileaks are now smearing and attacking Assange...

I cant Stress enough that the forensic analyses by former NSA whistleblower turned dissident William Binney are available everywhere on line including you tube.....
for anyone who has eyes to see.

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/in-defense-of-julian-assange-and-free-speech/
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-war-on-assange-is-a-war-on-press-freedom/

Also worth remembering is the fact that the US Government ... I DO NOT BLAME AMERICAN PEOPLE AS A WHOLE .... have participated in over 80 attempts at interfering with elections all over the world....those statistics do not include actual regime change or CIA assassinations.. just destabilization campaigns to prevent people the neoliberal establishment didnt like...

ttps://www.mintpressnews.com/governments-own-data-shows-us-interfered-in-81-foreign-elections/226143/; 22 July 2018 at 07:12:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: For anyone who will not entertain reading Mintpress news because it has been accused of being pro Assad and Pro Putin

what about the Pro Democratic, Centrist Hillary Clinton Backing "Politico" who believe in the Russia hack hoax and in Russian collusion with Trump

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/russia-dnc-hack-donald-trump-foreign-governments-hacking-vietnam-richard-nixon-214111

I would also recommend reading the Dissident American Journalist and Historian William Blum's book Killing hope (a link to his anti empire report is in the political links on this blog)
" Killing Hope: U.S. Military and C.I.A. Interventions Since World War II
by William Blum (Goodreads Author)

"Is the United States a force for democracy? In this classic and unique volume that answers this question, William Blum serves up a forensic overview of U.S. foreign policy spanning sixty years".

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/78130.Killing_Hope

"Even as the mainstream news media continue to lose street cred, they persist in a rumor-saturated full court press against the “Trump-Putin presidency,” which only further exposes their lack of professionalism and increasing vulgarity. gh the worst crisis in recorded history"

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/03/09/americas-troll-farm-media/

Intel Vets Challenge ‘Russia Hack’ Evidence

"Forensic studies of “Russian hacking” into Democratic National Committee computers last year reveal that on July 5, 2016, data was leaked (not hacked) by a person with physical access to DNC computer
FULL ARTICLE HERE

https://archive.fo/2018.04.28-182438/https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/24/intel-vets-challenge-russia-hack-evidence/#selection-343.0-349.255

New Research Shows Guccifer 2.0 Files Were Copied Locally, Not Hacked

"New meta-analysis has emerged from a document published today by an independent researcher known as The Forensicator,
full article here.. at "DISOBEDIENT MEDIA".. (who's motto is truth has no bias)
https://archive.fo/FklOn

A Forensic analyses of the supposed Russian Hacker Guccifer 2's files..(difficult read for non tech people of which i am one)

Guccifer 2.0 NGP/VAN Metadata Analysis
https://archive.fo/VxXaO#selection-237.0-237.38
......
lastly Ray McGovern a former Cia Analyst turned dissident discusses the issue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LatP39lFPYU&feature=youtu.be; 22 July 2018 at 08:39:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: Operation "Mockingbird"a CIA operation to infiltrate the Left and Liberal Media throughout the western world starting in the late 40's
https://www.scribd.com/document/41631313/Operation-Mockingbird-An-Overview-and-History

declassified CIA Documents relating to the operation
https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/operation-mockingbird/

more
https://popularresistance.org/operation-mockingbird-cia-media-control-program/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDCfTIapds0; 22 July 2018 at 08:56:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: "Media Ignores US Rigging of Russia’s Elections As CIA Struggles to Prove Russian Hacking"
https://thefreethoughtproject.com/us-rigging-russia-election-cia-struggles/

Heres another topic for consideration which proves my point about the corporate media left and right how the Media is spreading fake news about Venezuela's electoral system...
which the Jimmy Carter Foundation has deemed the Fairest electoral system in the world under
the Chavista government

Former US President Carter: Venezuelan Electoral System “Best in the World”
https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/7272

Venezuelan Presidential Elections: An "on the Ground" Canadian Perspective
https://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/13914

compare that to this
"Largest Voting Machine Vendor in US Admits Its Systems Had Remote-Access Software Installed"
https://thefreethoughtproject.com/voting-machine-vendor-systems-remote-software/; 22 July 2018 at 09:19:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: En Francais ..
Ingérence russe, de l’obsession à la paranoïa...2017

"Une intervention de Moscou a-t-elle pu altérer l’issue de la dernière élection présidentielle américaine ? L’hypothèse, qui obsède la presse, est traitée avec autant de passion qu’une guerre ; des commissions parlementaires enquêtent. Et, du Brexit au référendum catalan, chaque scrutin majeur comporte dorénavant sa déclinaison d’un piratage ou d’une subversion russe. Les preuves, elles, se font attendre."

https://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/2017/12/MATE/58207

(note this Journal is also available for free in English, German,Spanish and other languages..
a great recent article on the trump putin Summit by Diana Johnstone an American Journalist in Paris since the 60's

"The Western Elite Is Now Suffering from Self-Inflicted Dementia "
https://ahtribune.com/us/helsinki-summit/2378-western-elite.html; 22 July 2018 at 11:14:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: Correctsilence asked "Has the N S A not been spying on some European governments recently?"
Yes as everyone knows and how do we know this... Wiki Leaks of course, another reason the US establishment wants to shut them down

NSA Targets World Leaders for US Geopolitical Interests
https://wikileaks.org/nsa-201602/

the damning cable

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09STATE80163_a.html#efmJZLJeM; 22 July 2018 at 15:15:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: From Craig Murray , a former UK career diplomat and Historian with numerous postings, who was fired by Tony Blair, after blowing the whistle on the unsavory covert support the Blair Government was providing the Murderous government of Karimov in Uzbekistan..
Murray has one of the best "opinion" news sites around.

"The entire “liberal” media and political establishment of the Western world reveals its militarist, authoritarian soul today with the screaming and hysterical attacks on the very prospect of detente with Russia. Peace apparently is a terrible thing; a renewed arms race, with quite literally trillions of dollars pumped into the military industrial complex and hundreds of thousands dying in proxy wars, is apparently the “liberal” stance.

Political memories are short, but just 15 years after Iraq was destroyed and the chain reaction sent most of the Arab world back to the dark ages, it is now “treason” to question the word of the Western intelligence agencies, which deliberately and knowingly produced a fabric of lies on Iraqi WMD to justify that destruction."

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/; 23 July 2018 at 02:32:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: The Guardian newspaper , a once trusted supposed liberal left journal , has become a witchunting russophobic anti Corbyn pro imperialist Propaganda mouth piece .... here is their vicious totally irrational attack on actress Suzanne Sarandon who had condemned both the Democrats and Republicans before the last election....
THIS IS WHAT PASSES FOR JOURNALISM NOW IN THE LIBERAL MEDIA, written in shinny glossy slick prose one would think better suited to political speech writing .. just one example of the bilious garbage poured out time and again by this supposed bastion of Objectivity.

Protest all you like, Susan Sarandon. In effect you work for Trump
ttps://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/lostinshowbiz/2018/jul/05/protest-all-you-like-susan-sarandon-in-effect-you-work-for-trump; 23 July 2018 at 02:51:00 CEST
correct silence said...: @Sotise
Thank you for the link in french to "le monde diplomatique", it will be more confortable for me to have informations about this topic. I will also take time to translate some of the articles that you suggest but it takes time. Maybe the best way will be for me to read a little bit of the articles to understand the topic and find it in french. I'm surprised that nobody post a reaction about the different subjects that you are talking about.
In my opinion listening to that kind of music is in relation with a certain conception of the world, but perhaps that the time of the sleeping consciences is about to win all the territories...; 24 July 2018 at 08:27:00 CEST
Ernst Grgo Nebhuth said...: @ correct silence,

I do not join the discussion here but this doesn't mean I'm not 'interested' in the agonizing topics sotise has brought up recently (and not for the first time).
I do talk about it almost on a daily basis with family, friends, aquaintances and costumers. I do read f.e 'Le Monde Diplomatique' (actually I've a subscription since many years) but also the (socalled and real[?]) free/liberal press in my country and elsewhere. I try to go deeper by reading books which (try) to go deeper into the erratic and all too often dangerous behaviour of our socalled leaders and what goes for society's elite. Since decades I try to understand a wee bit of what really happens. It makes me feel nauseous all too often about this ever and ever occuring shit which goes for history....
Sometimes I almost would prefer to be unaware of all what I've wrote above...
But I'm not totally blind - I hope.
This is not an angry response but my five pence regarding the "silent" majority of which I'm a part of most hours of the 24 we get every day.; 24 July 2018 at 21:37:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: Ernst, C.S, good to see you 'round these barren parts, sorry to be a downer!
i Guess a little rage goes a long way .... the sequence of events in the media cycle this year has been insane , the fact that the Media at all ends of the spectrum distorted the Palestinian right of return protest ... and disgorged the banalities they did , papering over the fact that unarmed disenfranchised people who live in a prison panopticon without any militarily managed freedom of movement were being assassinated in a very deliberate way, while the world bought the fabrication of Hamas provocation turning around and BLAMING thats right blaming the victims ... in most cases in the so called left liberal media the propaganda was exceptionally subtle.. including occasional condemnation....

Heres what the media is all about , a telling article by one of the highest paid journalists in the World, for being chief warmongering neo-liberal
mouth piece...
Slimy ..Thomas Friedman of the NY Times... he starts out mouthing all the social justice left platitudes mixed with a lot of hot air and exclamations ... then we come to this.

"The hidden hand of the market will never work without a hidden fist -- McDonald's cannot flourish without McDonnell Douglas, the builder of the F-15. And the hidden fist that keeps the world safe for Silicon Valley's technologies is called the United States Army, Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps. ''Good ideas and technologies need a strong power that promotes those ideas by example and protects those ideas by winning on the battlefield,'' says the foreign policy historian Robert Kagan. ''If a lesser power were promoting our ideas and technologies, they would not have the global currency that they have. And when a strong power, the Soviet Union, promoted its bad ideas, they had a lot of currency for more than half a century.''
This is too easily forgotten today."; 25 July 2018 at 13:24:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: I would never have known about that article without having read a superb book by Julian Assange called "When Google met WikiLeaks"... concise ,carefully annotated ...giving the LIE to the liberal Media's derision of Assange as not a real journalist , or simply a criminal hacker cloaking his crimes under the guise of journalism...

I cant recommend that book highly enough , it is superb journalism..... by far superior to the puff pieces we read by Friedman and his ilk everywhere on the fake left...
That is part of why they despise him ...

An important book (based on interviews i've seen)about how the CIA infiltrates European Media , must sure be Udo Ulfkotte's "Bought Journalism" (that is the English title)..

A Right Wing anti immigration activist who wrote for Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung...
anyhow the gist is that for many years he was by his own admission reporting basically from a CIA script and publishing the pieces as his own... being handsomely rewarded in cash and "gifts" ... the big bomb was that he claimed that this practice is common.. and very widespread everywhere...

He exposed it because he was sick of the War Propaganda specifically against Russia, his children had left home and he had had several heart attacks ...

His Book has been suppressed in English ever since it was translated and published in a tiny very limited run ..... i've been on a waiting list at the UK online outlet Book depository , for 3 years .. no sign of its republication after it was initially trumpeted...

Book Depository incidentally is owned by Amazon which is owned Jeff Bezos one of the richest men in the World ... he also owns the Washington Post ..which is well known as a CIA mouthpiece ... AND he has a 600 Million $... contract with the CIA..

"he CIA, Amazon, Bezos and the Washington Post : An Exchange with Executive Editor Martin Baron"
a great piece (indeed a petition for transparency) by the Legendary (in my eyes) Norman Solomon.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/norman-solomon/the-cia-amazon-bezos-and_b_4559317.html

Norman Solomon is no longer welcome at the Trump/Russia despising Huffington Post.

see also "“The Post”? No Way Would Jeff Bezos Publish the Pentagon Papers"by Ted Rall

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/01/09/the-post-no-way-would-jeff-bezos-publish-the-pentagon-papers/

The Media is totally controlled by War mongering elites of both the Right and corrupted traditional Left, in collusion with intelligence agencies, and the real puppet masters behind the Facade of the state.... what is going on in the US is a battle for control by competing oligarchic interests.. essentially paralyzing Trumps Government to the point of dis-functionality.

Ernst, C.S... perhaps we could collaborate updating some of those political links by adding some more recent news sites, quite a few of the older ones are no longer relevant , and or are now dead.
feel free to chime in everyone..
.
here's a great "blog" tsk tsk..Legacy Media so called, disapproves of "Blogs" as fake news sites ... well check it out and compare .. a real gem with superb analyses..

http://www.moonofalabama.org/

the latest article .. they also feature weekly discussions on reader chosen topics....

"Syria - For The Third Time Israel Falsely Claims Iran Pull-Back Deal With Russia"

but ahhm er.... they are ... anti-Semites.. aren't they like uhm big bad BEAR skinned capped...Jeremy Corbyn; 25 July 2018 at 14:19:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: One of the first anti-imperialist sites i discovered almost the same day as the legendary CHURCH #9..FREE MUSIC.. Blog, is this run by a left libertarian American small business man who i think owns some kind of tourist business its an enlightening labyrinth.. here

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/

There are multiple sections , including on CIA infiltration of the Media, how war paves the way for creation of "Markets" etc etc many great quotes by both Antagonists and Protagonists
book excerpts you name it ....even travel advice.; 25 July 2018 at 14:32:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: A choice quote from Third World Traveler describing the Roman Empire..

""They have pillaged the world. When the land has nothing left for men who ravage everything, they scour the sea. If an enemy is rich, they are greedy; if he is poor, they crave glory. Neither East nor West can sate their appetite. They are the only people on earth to covet wealth and poverty with equal craving. They plunder, they butcher, they ravish, and call it by the lying name of 'empire'. They make a desert and call it 'peace'."

Publius Cornelius Tacitus - a historian of the Roman Empire; 25 July 2018 at 14:37:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: ON A LIGHTER NOTE .... from a political site i have substantive differences of opinion with on many things ...

"Milford Graves: Full Mantis "
https://louisproyect.org/2018/07/12/milford-graves-full-mantis/; 25 July 2018 at 14:55:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: Perhaps Tacitus can provide some insight into what we are all in for if we continue sleeping.
....,the opening passage to his "Annals"is uncannily reminiscent of where our "Civilization" is at.

"Rome at the beginning was ruled by kings. Freedom and the consulship
were established by Lucius Brutus. Dictatorships were held for a temporary
crisis. The power of the decemvirs did not last beyond two years,
nor was the consular jurisdiction of the military tribunes of long
duration. The despotisms of Cinna and Sulla were brief; the rule of
Pompeius and of Crassus soon yielded before Caesar; the arms of Lepidus
and Antonius before Augustus; who, when the world was wearied by civil
strife, subjected it to empire under the title of "Prince." But the
successes and reverses of the old Roman people have been recorded
by famous historians; and fine intellects were not wanting to describe
the times of Augustus, till growing sycophancy scared them away. The
histories of Tiberius, Caius, Claudius, and Nero, while they were
in power, were falsified through terror, and after their death were
written under the irritation of a recent hatred. Hence my purpose
is to relate a few facts about Augustus- more particularly his last
acts, then the reign of Tiberius, and all which follows, without either
bitterness or partiality, from any motives to which I am far removed."

http://classics.mit.edu/Tacitus/annals.mb.txt; 25 July 2018 at 15:23:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: Heres the link to the NYTimes article by Thomas Friedman quoted a while back , i forgot to insert it,,,,,tedious hyperactive drivel

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/03/28/magazine/a-manifesto-for-the-fast-world.html?src=pm&pagewanted=all; 25 July 2018 at 15:29:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: A great book on the subject of the Liberal Media

"Guardians of Power" The Myth of the Liberal Media
by David Edwards and David Cromwell

they have a superb Media Watchdog website with great analyses of the Liberal Media's coverage of current issues .

particularly salient examples include their take on the repeated character assassination of Jeremy Corbyn , and seemingly undying adulation for Tony Blair and the Blairite faction of the British Labor Party.... as well as the dismantling of the Douma gassing incident narrative....
http://medialens.org/; 25 July 2018 at 15:53:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: One last media link
a beauty , some righteous anger on parade i can sure hear Milford Graves unleashing his subtle whirlwind behind a recital of this J'accuse.... righteous indignation at the contemptuous ignorant superficiality of careerist Liberal Journalists..!!!

https://off-guardian.org/2018/07/22/no-carole-cadwalladr-this-is-what-war-looks-like/; 25 July 2018 at 16:42:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: Heres an important CIA document , people who are skeptical of the "operation Mockingbird" story i mentioned in this thread relating to the CIA infiltration of the media.

whatever one thinks about the John F.Kennedy Assasination, (and i dont really care that much) what it shows is that the CIA was very concerned starting in 1967, about the critiques of the Warren Commission report specifically books like Mark Lane's "Rush to Judgment"from that same year .... so they orchestrated a campaign to smear Critics as conspiracy theorists.
Here is just one passage

"b. To employ propaganda assets to [negate] and refute the attacks of the
critics. Book reviews and feature articles are particularly appropriate for
this purpose. The unclassified attachments to this guidance should provide
useful
background material for passing to assets. Our ploy should point
out, as applicable, that the critics are (I) wedded to theories adopted before
the evidence was in, (I) politically interested, (III) financially interested, (IV)
hasty and inaccurate in thei
r research, or (V) infatuated with their own
theories. In the course of discussions of the whole phenomenon of
criticism, a useful strategy may be to single out Epstein's theory for attack,
using the attached Fletcher [?] article and Spectator piece for ba
ckground.
(Although Mark Lane's book is much less convincing that Epstein's and
comes off badly where confronted by knowledgeable critics, it is also much
more difficult to answer as a whole, as one becomes lost in a morass of
unrelated details.)"

CIA Document #1035-960: Using politicians and the media to counter criticism of the Warren Report — This document, dated Jan. 4, 1967, and marked PSYCH for Psychological Warfare, directs agents of the CIA to counter critics of the Warren Report by using "liaison and friendly elite contacts (especially politicians and editors)" and "to employ propaganda assets to answer and refute the attacks of the critics."

full document here
http://whistlebl0wer.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/CIA-Memo-Warren-Commission.pdf; 27 July 2018 at 02:26:00 CEST
correct silence said...: @Ernst
Of course considering what you do here and also our private exchanges I imagine that you are interested by the subject. When I posted my message about the absence of reaction after Sotise various messages, it was just because I compared the number of downloads of the music that we post and the number of messages leaved here (hundreds v/s zero). We have to admit that even if the purpose of "I S" was to share music and political, social and philosophical point of view, it have become more and more a place of passive consommation of music. But in another way one could ask the useful of that kind of exchanges here? The audience here is very small and it won't change anything. Perhaps things will start to change when some banks or institutions will be destroyed by people but I'm not sure that this will happen one day. When will there be another French revolution or another May 68? Recently I heard a report about "goldman sachs" and one journalist who knows very well the story of this bank concluded like this: "In fact citizen can't do anything against this situation".
Like you sometimes I'd prefer not to know all of this shit but it is due to the fact that we feel that we can't do anything individually. people can be excited and can watch tv and talk about a world football cup during many month but the majority is not interested by some questions who are very important in our lives and for our present and future. it is not France who have win the world football cup, it is the propaganda. The conclusion of this world football cup is "give the people that kind of distraction and they will be quiet and let us do what we want to do".
One of my closest friend, a young woman of 25 years who have finished her literature studies and who is very worry about here future make me realize that things have got to change but often with here we make the conclusion that individually or with a small community like we are, we have no power.; 27 July 2018 at 10:15:00 CEST
correct silence said...: I read the interesting article about the supposed infiltration of Russia in the American elections. Beyond what is proven or not, it is interesting to note that this case corresponds perfectly to the social representations that we have of Russia and the United States. In contemporary history Russia is still the country that infiltrates who spies and the United States is a model of democracy. Never could a model of democracy have invented the existence of weapons of mass destruction in a country to overthrow the one that governs it, after having supported him for years. This thing never happened of course.
The media trivializes everything, we forgot that the United States is the only country that has been at war since 1945, the enemies have varied according to the times but to my knowledge no other country has experienced uninterrupted military interventions for so long. the second country on the list is Israel, since 1948. For these two countries, the process is the same, to build an enemy to be able to justify a reply.
I am not saying that Russia is innocent but when we are presented with an enemy, we must try to see if there is not a part of manufacturing in this fact.

@Sotise due to my poor english my contribution to these topics will be limited but I will try to post links to some articles or videos in French.; 27 July 2018 at 11:24:00 CEST
kinabalu said...: A couple of thoughts on this topic:

I don't see either of these state leaders pursuing what may remotely be called a detente strategy. For Trump, detente does not extend beyond Russia which he regards as less than an adversary (a competitor!) than NATO member countries, including Turkey which is now threatened by US sanctions. As for Putin, I see his main agenda as restoring the power and influence of the old Soviet Union by military (Crimea, eastern Ukraine, Georgia) and political (central and eastern parts of Europe) means, exploiting nativist and anti-immigration sentiments. Trump has advocated defense spending well in advance of the 2 percent set by NATO. He even hinted at possibly receiving the Nobel Peace Prize for his ground-being diplomacy with North Korea which has so far come to nothing except retrieving the bones of US soldiers. We are eagerly awaiting the next chapter on Iran. That'll be the day ...

Sotise's critique of intelligence is the standard leftist critique, but what is new is that the critique is now also coming from the right, from the Trump administration and large swathes of the Republican Party, aimed at the intelligence agencies and including FBI and the special counsel Robert Muller. The enemy is what is known as the deep state, whatever that may be.

As for the so-called liberal media, the problem is that the public debate has become so polarised that journalists are heckled, threatened and on occasion killed for probing into the wheelings and dealings of the political-economic elite. Fake news is whatever you happen to disgree with and we all know about the effect of echo chambers on asocial and uncivil media. I have no gripes with the liberal media, considering the alternatives, even though I don't agree with everything. Of course, one has to make a distinction between reporting and opinion and in today's climate, the distinction is unclear. Witness the storm troopers at Trump rallies. Sign of the times, not a very hospitable place to be these days, I think.

I'm not a great fan of Assange and I consider Edward Snowden to be a more reflective and considered whistleblower. Note that he left it to professional journalists to decide on what to publish, in the liberal media, mind you. By the way, the book by Udo Uffkotte is available in German. I just downloaded a copy. He died last year of a heart attack and unsurprisingly, some sources see a potential conspiracy.

One final thought, one effect of the Trump-imposed tariffs is that the Moog synth company is in danger of either closing down or moving parts of its operations abroad to avoid the 25 percent price hike of components imported from China. The production chain in manufacturing is global and rarely confined to a single country. Hence the smartness of targeting retaliatory counter measures at agricultural products which by its very nature is largely confined to one place. Imagine the day when Harley davidson motorcycles will be made outside the US. To say it again, that'll be the day!; 2 August 2018 at 14:04:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: For some reason a couple of comments from 5 or so days ago didnt get published, never mind i'll give it another shot ... Kinabalu hi its been a while .... on several of your points i'm afraid i'll have to beg to differ if not vehemently disagree with You.

I believe you are quite wrong about Putin having invaded Ukraine, and annexed Crimea as an expansionist empire building strategy ... if my critique is standard leftist ... your points are standard liberal propaganda.... it is NATO who has been expansionist right to Russia's very borders, in flagrant disregard of promises made to Gorbachev in 1989 when Reagan in exchange for the USSR allowing German unification unhindered promised that NATO would not move an inch further East....

the Ukraine /Crimea story as has been Propagandized in the Western corporate Media ad infinitum is completely false it is the United States who organized , and backed a Coup against an admittedly corrupt pro Russian President and then helped install a Neo-Nazi government.... after the Neo Nazi's started persecuting and killing ethnic Russians in Ukraine, (i have seen much video evidence taken on the ground at the time)Russia made some incursions ..and Neo-Nazis continued their attacks they(Ukraines Neo-Nazi government) were contemplating invading Crimea . Crimeans held a referendum in which a very large majority of Crimean's 92 percent i believe... said in a national referendum that they wanted once again to be Russian... that referendum has not been mentioned in the "Liberal Media" since 2014... because they have been busy demonizing Putin and Russia.

I would encourage some of our Baltic friends to weigh in here , Only Europeans and Americans believe that Russia invaded Ukraine/Crimea the rest of the world knows that the Coup was American Engineered.. to install a pro NATO anti Russian candidate....

https://medium.com/@gmochannel/us-staged-a-coup-in-ukraine-brief-history-and-facts-898c6d0007d6

https://stephenlendman.org/2017/05/ukraine-us-installed-fascism-in-europes/

https://consortiumnews.com/2015/04/03/mysterious-deaths-in-ukraine/

As for Russian Expansionism ... whatever Russia's ambitions they don't appear anywhere nearly as Expansionist as the worlds one and only Empire which as pointed out is transnational ... an empire ruled by a corporate "deep state".. Banks , Oil companies ,Arms Companies... along with criminal intelligence agencies ,corrupt politicians , fake NGO's and YES corporate Media ,lets not even call them liberal Media .... Corporate because they are owned by Multi National corporations "the Professional Journalists"

Here is US Dissident Historian William Blum
https://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list

i'LL COME BACK TO SOME OF THE OTHER POINTS IF THIS ONE GETS THROUGH!!!; 6 August 2018 at 19:15:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: Here is Victoria Nuland: US-Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs , and Geoffrey R. Pyatt: United States Ambassador to Ukraine... discussing which Washington Puppet
they are going to install ... this is a phone conversation that was leaked online in 2014
Also known as the "Fuck the EU" TAPE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_2612647377&feature=iv&src_vid=CL_GShyGv3o&v=KIvRljAaNgg

The Cast of Referenced Players are...

Victoria Nuland: US-Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Geoffrey R. Pyatt: United States Ambassador to Ukraine Jeff Feltman: head of the United Nations Department of Political Affairs
Robert Serry: Dutch diplomat serving as United Nations Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process
Ban Ki-Moon: Secretary-General of the United Nations
Jake Sullivan: national security advisor to Joe Biden Joe Biden: Vice President USA
Viktor Yanukovych: President of Ukraine
Vitali Klitschko: Leader of the Ukrainian Democratic Alliance for Reform and Member of the Ukrainian Parliament.

the Authenticity of the above is legitimized by the fact that Nuland later apologized for her "Fuck The EU" comments... just googling will provide the Apology... which though not widely reported was reported by the Guardian for example.

Victoria Nuland is married to Infamous Neo-conservative co founder of PNAC,Robert Kagan..
What is PNAC ... an acronym for "Project for a new American Century"

What is the PNAC
"The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) is a neo-conservative think tank with strong ties to the American Enterprise Institute. PNAC's website says it was established in the spring of 1997 as "a non-profit, educational organization whose goal is to promote American global leadership". [1]

PNAC's policy document, "Rebuilding America's Defences" [2], openly advocates total global military domination. Many PNAC members held highest-level positions in the George W. Bush administration. The Project is an initiative of the New Citizenship Project. The New Citizenship Project's chairman is William Kristol and its president is Gary Schmitt.[3] "

This article created from open Source freely available documents gives a detailed description of the PNAC group, their funding sources , connections to the "American Free Enterprise Institute" etc , and links to the groups original mission statement and Policy Documents... there have been PNAC members and Associates in every consecutive administration since Bush Jr including Obama's.. one current example in Trump's administration is John Bolton who is now Secretary of State.

ttps://wikispooks.com/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century; 7 August 2018 at 02:55:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: A precise chronology of events unfolding in Ukraine from March 5 2014 by Renee Parsons who was a staffer in the U.S. House of Representatives and a lobbyist on nuclear energy issues with Friends of the Earth. in 2005, she was elected to the Durango City Council and served as Councilor and Mayor. Currently, she is a member of the Treasure Coast ACLU Board.

/www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/05/chronology-of-the-ukrainian-coup/

here's a quandary for Kinabalu

Imagining that the roles of Nato/China and Russia were reversed , What would the US do if Russia/China positioned nuclear missiles on America's southern and northern borders?, if nuclear warships and submarines patrolled the east and west coasts of the US?,If Chinese and Russian strategy called for the destruction of one country after another, under the guise of "humanitarian intervention" and an endless "War on Terror"?...; 7 August 2018 at 03:18:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: Something that should interest those interested in the CIA infiltration of the Corporate Media... issue #19 of the Legendary "Covert Action Quarterly" magazine from 1983 deals almost entirely with that subject.
the Magazine was started in 1978 with the help of CIA whistle blower Phillip Agee
it appears to have recently been relaunched.

http://covertactionmagazine.com/index.php/back-issues/

http://covertactionmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/CAIB19.pdf

link to a great interview with Agee , from the Radio Pacifica Archives
https://ourhiddenhistory.org/entry/uncovering-the-cia-philip-agee-interviewed-by-john-marks-1976; 8 August 2018 at 08:38:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: For French Speakers
Belgian investigative journalist and Media Critic Michel Collon
on Ukraine 2014

"Voir plus loin que le bout de notre nez ? Les médias n'y tiennent pas, on se poserait trop de questions, y compris sur les médiamensonges. Mais si on veut comprendre un conflit comme l'Ukraine, nous devons absolument le mettre en perspective, le voir sur la longue durée. Les médias nous disent que l'Europe et les Etats-Unis réagissent à des manifestations, mais en réalité, l'Ukraine est une cible depuis vingt ans. Michel Collon éclaire les stratégies dont on ne parle pas."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTp6CIHh4qs

MIchel Collon's completely Reader funded Media Website (L'investigAction)
https://www.investigaction.net/en/
articles in multiple languages.

Collon's book "média mensonges" deals with precisely what we have been discussing in this thread .. among the best of its kind; 8 August 2018 at 11:38:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: A correction reading this thread i see i referred to neo-CON John Bolton as Trumps secretary of state ,which he was under Bush jnr, he is in fact Trump's National Security Advisor...

back to the Media , here's a great article by a former Guardian journalist Jonathan Cook explaining his own personal journey out of the Corporate Media and its propaganda filters..

a few quotes

"the Great Western Narrative has been developed and refined over centuries to preserve a tiny elite’s privileges and expand its power. The role of journalists like me was to keep feeding these illusions to readers so they would remain fearful, passive and deferential to this elite. It is not that journalists lie – or at least, not most of them – it is that they are as deeply wedded to the Great Western Narrative as everyone else.

Once one is prepared to step through the door, to discard the old script, the new narrative takes its hold because it is so helpful. It actually explains the world, and human behaviour, as it is experienced everywhere. It has genuine predictive power. And most importantly, it reveals a truth understood by all figures of spiritual and intellectual enlightenment throughout human history: that human beings are equally human, whether they are Americans, Europeans, Israelis, Palestinians, Syrians, Russians, Venezuelans, or Iranians, whether they are North or South Koreans."

The corporate media’s world of illusions-Jonathan Cook

https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2018-06-11/corporate-media-illusions/; 8 August 2018 at 15:21:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: Heres a great article on the American Media , demonstrating the U.S media's connections to elitist establishment globalist transnational think tanks, including illustrative charts.

the site is mostly in German , called "Swiss Propaganda research" which examines the correlations between Media World Wide and Propaganda

https://swprs.org/

https://swprs.org/the-american-empire-and-its-media/

heres an interesting article i could only read in poor google translation.about censorship in the Swiss Media

"Zensur und Selbstzensur bei geopolitischen Konf‌likten sind in der Schweiz keineswegs unbekannt, wie ein Blick in die Geschichte zeigt.

Um das Land keinen unnötigen Risiken auszusetzen, mussten sich Medien und sogar Buchverlage während des Ersten und Zweiten Weltkriegs und während des Kalten Kriegs stets an einen politisch definierten Meinungskorridor halten, der sich an den weltweiten Kräfteverhältnissen orientierte. Ob dies im heutigen Global War on Terror und dem Neuen Kalten Krieg wohl anders ist?

Aufgrund der Medienkonzentration werden inzwischen zudem über 90% des Schweizer Marktes von nur fünf großen Medienhäusern kontrolliert: Tamedia, Ringier, NZZ Medien, AZ Medien und der SRG (siehe Infografik)......"

https://swprs.org/2017/03/01/zensur-in-schweizer-medien/; 9 August 2018 at 10:36:00 CEST
kinabalu said...: Some rejoinders to Sotise's posts:

I did not explicitly say that Putin's strategy is expansionist, but is aimed at restoring the power and influence of the old Soviet Union by military and political means. He clearly regards the break up of The Soviet Union as a historical mistake to be rectified within the means and options available. There is no doubt that NATO membership has expanded as most of the new members were members of the Warsaw Pact previously, but it should be noted that most of these are also EU member countries, indicating their political and economic alignments.

As for Ukraine, there is no doubt that the ouster of Yanakovich was the propelling factor behind the annexation of Crimea and the intervention in East Ukraine. It should be kept in mind that Ukraine through the Budapest Agreement in 1994 had given up its nuclear weapons in exhange for protection of its territorial integrity, something the west (incluing the US) did not deliver on in 2014. Whether the Ukraine was better off because of the ouster is an open question. Endemic corruption is as systemic as before, though has shifted to other sectors, making the war in the East less of an urgent concern, at least seen from Kiev. Just another business opportunity and just another war to be forgotten, unless a passenger plane is shot down in the midst of it.

Re the quandary: I don't see why the US would react any differently than other countries in a similar situation, though in the age of ICBMs, proximity is less of an issue than before. These days proximity means missiles from Little Rocket Man, but as we know, Big Rocket Man has a bigger button and it works!. Of course, it does help that there is a Pacific Ocean to the west and an Atlantic Ocean to the east. Enough trouble with Canada and Mexico (and further south) as it is. Rapists and murderers and drug smugglers and unfair traders and all the rest!; 9 August 2018 at 14:08:00 CEST
kinabalu said...: A couple of documents relevant to the issue of Russian meddling (and potential collusion).

First, the infamous Steele dossier:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984/Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.pdf

Secondly, the Special Counsel Muller indictment of 12 Russian military intelligence officers:

https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2018/07/Muellerindictment.pdf

Interesting read for those of us unacquainted with spooky operations.; 9 August 2018 at 14:21:00 CEST
kinabalu said...: One more observation:

I wonder how much is left of the PNAC doctrine, considering that most of the Bush-era policy makers are highly critical of Trump, excepting Bolton. PNAC also had a political and economic freedom agenda which seems to have disappeared (democracy and human rights considerations only apply to Iran and certainly not to North Korea).

Funnily, the PNAC web site appears to have disappeared, too, only retrievable from the web archive. Interesting ...; 9 August 2018 at 14:37:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: this video deals with the early circumstances of the hacking claims , but i seriously recommend you look into the claims of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity on why the DNC leak was NOT a hack ..... the Steele Dossier is a fraud , and there is nothing in the Mueller report that contradicts the existing evidence.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-08-10/why-some-u-s-ex-spies-don-t-buy-the-russia-story

People simply cant accept that the Clinton Campaign was totally corrupt, then there is the major question of why the DNC did not allow the FBI access to its Servers but instead used a private Firm Crowdstrike which had connections to the Clinton Foundation as an intermediary to the FBI , the other point is that Hillary Clinton was at the time undergoing multiple investigations .. for example into the Benghazi affair ...
Veterans Intelligence Professionals for Sanity have received almost Zero Mainstream Coverage....

Seymour Hersh in a leaked private telephone conversation ( Hersh was a legendary new yourk times reporter for years who broke the Mai Lai Massacre Story , the Abu Graib Torture story and many others ... in the Video below (featuring the leaked conversation) he calls James Comey and Robert Mueller Liars and Morons , and reveals information that has gotten no press... Hersh is no Trump Partisan , indeed a lifelong Democrat...)
THere are plenty of grounds for impeaching trump for war crimes , but No they have concocted this bullshit story about Russian Electoral interference , a gross Projection by THE WORLDS BIGGEST SPONSOR OF STATE TERROR ..something they FALSELY Accuse Iran of being ...NO ONE EVER TALKS ABOUT THAT IN THE CORPORATE MEDIA....

if they Did impeach Trump for genuine war crimes they would have to prosecute Drone Assassin and Destroyer of Libya Obama , Bush and his crime syndicate, Clinton , virtually every president going back to JFK ... the other reason for all this obfuscation is that
if anyone had crooked dealings with Russia it is the Despicable Clin ton herself
see this NY Times pre" Russia Gate" article

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?ref=oembed
And of course the Corporate Media never discusses the Content of the Podesta and DNC leaks
which ultimately reveal Hillary Clinton as a Wall St shill, The Clinton Foundation as a Criminal Enterprise , the DNC internal Super Pacs as totally Corrupt... among much else...
TRump is a Gangster and War Criminal but no bones about it Killary , Obama the democratic party are also Gangsters and Criminals ... How many Dirty Wars has Trump actually Started?
compare that Zero .. to Obama's record.. Bush's record..
Sure Trump has escalated these fraudulent wars.....it doesn't matter who is in power the American Political elites and their corporate masters dont give a flying fuck about ordinary Americans ..

"Before the 2016 election, British ex-spy Christopher Steele was contracted (through a couple of cutouts) by the Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee to dig up dirt on candidate Donald Trump. They paid him $168,000. They should ask for their money back."
https://consortiumnews.com/2018/03/07/progressive-journalists-jump-the-shark-on-russiagate/

the Video , explaining multiple Problems with the DNC server investigation , clips from multiple news sources, clips of Seymour Hersh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aej5-RyTRUA

K back to your point about the right and Trump attacking the Media you know what they say about broken clocks they tell the truth twice a day , i totally agree with Trump on that point just not for the same reasons journalists have become stenographers of the powerful , and one might ask has it ever not been thus.; 10 August 2018 at 04:49:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: Here's one by Multiple award winning journalist Robert Parry (now deceased)
Steeles Dossier is full of unsubstantiated assertions , anonymous sources etc , a completely partisan fabrication bought and paid for by the DNC themselves

The Sleazy Origins of Russia-gate

"An irony of the escalating hysteria about the Trump camp’s contacts with Russians is that one presidential campaign in 2016 did exploit political dirt that supposedly came from the Kremlin and other Russian sources. Friends of that political campaign paid for this anonymous hearsay material, shared it with American journalists and urged them to publish it to gain an electoral advantage. But this campaign was not Donald Trump’s; it was Hillary Clinton’s.
And, awareness of this activity doesn’t require you to spin conspiracy theories about what may or may not have been said during some seemingly innocuous conversation. In this case, you have open admissions about how these Russian/Kremlin claims were used."
read on..

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/03/29/the-sleazy-origins-of-russia-gate/
who is christopher Steele

https://www.wsj.com/articles/who-is-christopher-steele-1518135346

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/25/christopher-steele-admits-dossier-charge-unverifie/; 10 August 2018 at 05:11:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: the demonization of Putin
https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/01/29/the-demonization-of-vladimir-putin/

Putins demonization in Neo-Liberal Journals like the economist is comparable to the British and French demonization of Germans pre WW1, It fits the propaganda model to a T...
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2017/10/26/a-tsar-is-born?zid=307&ah=5e80419d1bc9821ebe173f4f0f060a07

https://www.economist.com/topics/vladimir-putin

THE ECONOMISTS INSANE ANTI PUTIN PROPAGANDA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZey557y3do

AND THIS FROM A LESS PARISAN SOURCE... CHECK OUT THE COVERS , AND GO BACK AND LOOK AT ANTI GERMAN PROPAGANDA, OR NAZI ANTI JEWISH PROPAGANDA
https://markdoran.wordpress.com/2018/03/28/sneer-and-smear-2/

THEN READ THis for example
"Falsehood in War-time, Containing an Assortment of Lies Circulated Throughout the Nations During the Great War, written by Arthur Ponsonby in 1928 [1] lists and refutes pieces of propaganda used by the Allied Forces (Russia, France, Britain and the United States) against the Central Powers (Germany, Austria-Hungary, Turkey and Bulgaria).[2]

After the Second World War, a new edition of the book was given the updated title Falsehood in War-Time: Propaganda Lies of the First World War.

Falsehood in War-time identifies the role propaganda played in World War I, in general and specific terms and lists over 20 falsehoods that were circulated during the First World War. Indicative of his worldview Ponsonby regards these falsehoods as a fundamental part of the way the war effort was created and sustained, claiming that without lies there would be “no reason and no will for war”.[4]

Some of these falsehoods contain atrocity propaganda reported on German Army troops which were reported killing and maiming of inoccent civilians and captured"
https://archive.org/details/16FalsehoodInWartime

Here is Jacques Ellul's Classic on Propaganda from a philosophical and sociological perspective .. it has also been republished recently in hardcopy and is available in French, English, German, Spanish

https://archive.org/details/Propaganda_201512; 10 August 2018 at 05:41:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: K... Thanks for the link to the Mueller incitement
here is a critical examination by JOe Lauria of Consortium News

"— It failed to connect the Internet Research Agency (IRA), the alleged St. Petersburg troll factory accused of political meddling, with Vladimir Putin, the all-purpose evil-doer who the corporate media say is out to destroy American democracy.

— It similarly failed to establish a connection with the Trump campaign and indeed went out of its way to describe contacts with the Russians as “unwitting.”

— It described the meddling itself as even more inept and amateurish than many had suspected.

After nine months of labor, Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller thus brought forth a mouse. Even if all the charges are true – something we’ll probably never know since it’s unlikely that any of the accused will be brought to trial "

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/02/24/the-mueller-indictments-the-day-the-music-died/; 10 August 2018 at 05:48:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: The PNAC Document "Rebuilding Americas Defences"
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
Putin is a babe in the woods by comparison to successive American Governments expansion of Empire

William Blum who wrote the classic book on the CIAs dirty wars & history of destabilizing the world
extract from
https://williamblum.org/aer/read/158

"Frances Fitzgerald, in her famous study of American school textbooks, summarized the message of these books: “The United States has been a kind of Salvation Army to the rest of the world: throughout history it had done little but dispense benefits to poor, ignorant, and diseased countries. The U.S. always acted in a disinterested fashion, always from the highest of motives; it gave, never took.”

And Americans genuinely wonder why the rest of the world can’t see how benevolent and self-sacrificing America has been. Even many people who take part in the anti-war movement have a hard time shaking off some of this mindset; they march to spur America – the America they love and worship and trust – they march to spur this noble America back onto its path of goodness.

Many of the citizens fall for US government propaganda justifying its military actions as often and as naively as Charlie Brown falling for Lucy’s football.

The American people are very much like the children of a Mafia boss who do not know what their father does for a living, and don’t want to know, but then they wonder why someone just threw a firebomb through the living room window.

This basic belief in America’s good intentions is often linked to “American exceptionalism”. Let’s look at just how exceptional America has been. Since the end of World War 2, the United States has:

Attempted to overthrow more than 50 foreign governments, most of which were democratically-elected.
Dropped bombs on the people of more than 30 countries.
Attempted to assassinate more than 50 foreign leaders.
Attempted to suppress a populist or nationalist movement in 20 countries.
Grossly interfered in democratic elections in at least 30 countries.
Led the world in torture; not only the torture performed directly by Americans upon foreigners, but providing torture equipment, torture manuals, lists of people to be tortured, and in-person guidance by American teachers, especially in Latin America."; 10 August 2018 at 07:05:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: by...Journalist Steve Kangas (1961-99)
from an article entitled "The Origins of the Overclass" at the time of his death it was discovered that he was writing a book on billionaire Media owner/ ultra-right philanthropist Richard Mellon Scaife's involvement in "Forum World Features, a foreign news service used as a front to disseminate CIA propaganda around the world.
he was found dead in the bathroom of the offices of Richard Mellon Scaife, the owner of the Pittsburgh Tribune.

"MOCKINGBIRD was extraordinarily successful. In no time, the agency had recruited at least 25 media organizations to disseminate CIA propaganda. At least 400 journalists would eventually join the CIA payroll, according to the CIA’s testimony before a stunned Church Committee in 1975. (The committee felt the true number was considerably higher.) The names of those recruited reads like a Who's Who of journalism:

Philip and Katharine Graham (Publishers, Washington Post)
William Paley (President, CBS)
Henry Luce (Publisher, Time and Life magazine)
Arthur Hays Sulzberger (Publisher, N.Y. Times)
Jerry O'Leary (Washington Star)
Hal Hendrix (Pulitzer Prize winner, Miami News)
Barry Bingham Sr., (Louisville Courier-Journal)
James Copley (Copley News Services)
Joseph Harrison (Editor, Christian Science Monitor)
C.D. Jackson (Fortune)
Walter Pincus (Reporter, Washington Post)
ABC
NBC
Associated Press
United Press International
Reuters
Hearst Newspapers
Scripps-Howard
Newsweek magazine
Mutual Broadcasting System
Miami Herald
Old Saturday Evening Post
New York Herald-Tribune

Perhaps no newspaper is more important to the CIA than the Washington Post, one of the nation’s most right-wing dailies. Its location in the nation’s capitol enables the paper to maintain valuable personal contacts with leading intelligence, political and business figures. Unlike other newspapers, the Post operates its own bureaus around the world, rather than relying on AP wire services. Owner Philip Graham was a military intelligence officer in World War II, and later became close friends with CIA figures like Frank Wisner, Allen Dulles, Desmond FitzGerald and Richard Helms. He inherited the Post by marrying Katherine Graham, whose father owned it.

After Philip’s suicide in 1963, Katharine Graham took over the Post. Seduced by her husband’s world of government and espionage, she expanded her newspaper’s relationship with the CIA. In a 1988 speech before CIA officials at Langley, Virginia, she stated:

We live in a dirty and dangerous world. There are some things that the general public does not need to know and shouldn’t. I believe democracy flourishes when the government can take legitimate steps to keep its secrets and when the press can decide whether to print what it knows.

This quote has since become a classic among CIA critics for its belittlement of democracy and its admission that there is a political agenda behind the Post’s headlines.

Ben Bradlee was the Post’s managing editor during most of the Cold War. He worked in the U.S. Paris embassy from 1951 to 1953, where he followed orders by the CIA station chief to place propaganda in the European press. (9) Most Americans incorrectly believe that Bradlee personifies the liberal slant of the Post, given his role in publishing the Pentagon Papers and the Watergate investigations. But neither of these two incidents are what they seem. The Post merely published the Pentagon Papers after The New York Times already had, because it wanted to appear competitive. As for Watergate, we’ll examine the CIA’s reasons for wanting to bring down Nixon in a moment. Someone once asked Bradlee: "Does it irk you when The Washington Post is made out to be a bastion of slanted liberal thinkers instead of champion journalists just because of Watergate?" Bradlee responded: "Damn right it does!"""

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-overclass.html; 12 August 2018 at 04:21:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: To quote kinabalu
“These days proximity means missiles from Little Rocket Man, but as we know, Big Rocket Man has a bigger button and it works!.”

If I Were “little rocket Man” I wouldnt be giving up my nukes in a hurry.
People forget that several million North Koreans were destroyed , including 20 major cities completely destroyed.. most Hospitals, Factories , Schools...were also destroyed.
Well sourced article here,https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-korean-war-and-crimes-against-humanity-forgotten-when-we-need-to-remember/5589377

also.. more specifically about the air War focusing on 1951-2
https://apjjf.org/-Charles-K.-Armstrong/3460/article.html

William Blum on the Korean War
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/47825.htm

The North Koreans and Chinese both during and after the war alleged that the US and its allies were using Biological weapons including Bacterial & viral

“To convince the world of the truth of their claim the U.S. had dropped biological weapons on their countries, and after turning down the suggestion that the International Red Cross look into the charges, the North Koreans and Chinese sponsored an investigating commission. Using the auspices of the World Peace Council, they gathered together a number of scientists from around the world, most of whom were sympathetic to either the Left or the peace movement. Most surprisingly, this commission, which came to be known as the International Scientific Commission, or ISC, was headed by one of the foremost British scientists of his time, Joseph Needham.”

this report Suppressed ever since has now surfaced and can be read and downloaded here along with the article quoted above. WHY AREN'T THE WORLDS SO CALLED “PROFESSIONAL”JOURNALISTS REPORTING THAT?
https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/the-long-suppressed-korean-war-report-on-u-s-use-of-biological-weapons-released-at-last-20d83f5cee54

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4334133/ISC-Full-Report-Pub-Copy.pdf; 13 August 2018 at 02:52:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: "it does help that there is a Pacific Ocean to the west and an Atlantic Ocean to the east. Enough trouble with Canada and Mexico (and further south) as it is. Rapists and murderers and drug smugglers and unfair traders and all the rest!" (i realize this is sarcasm aimed at Trump and justifiably so)

Many people including historians and journalists have long believed that the so called war against drugs has been a cover for counter insurgency ,land theft and destruction of environment of Latin American Countries along with multi national global expansion (creating industrial estates and the exploitation of cheap indigenous labor)
Several important books have been published in the last few years cogently making that case.

Dawn Paley- "Drug War Capitalism"
https://www.akpress.org/drug-war-capitalism.html

interview with the Author here
https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/03/17/drug-war-capitalism-an-interview-with-dawn-paley/

Another important book dealing specifically with Mexico's Narco Wars, touching on similar themes, examining the various Narco factions , their connections to the state police and intelligence networks including those of the US , the murder of Journalists reporting those connections, Corrupt Mexican Politicians and their money laundering networks and so forth...

Anabel Hernández- Narcoland
https://www.versobooks.com/books/1709-narcoland

Global Empire - Mexico's Killing Fields, Anabel Hernández & Tariq Ali
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjKrWgRSvZE; 13 August 2018 at 03:21:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: RE .. The Korean War

Here's a classic by Journalistic Legend I.F.STone
"Hidden History of the Korean War " published 1969

"From the Author's Preface:

"I have tried to write this story as if I were writing a novel, with suspense and with three-dimensionality. In a good novel one does not know all the answers, and I do not know all the answers here. Much about the Korean War is still hidden, and much will long remain hidden. I believe I have succeeded in throwing new light on its origins, on the operations of MacArthur and Dulles, on the weaknesses of Truman and Acheson, on the way the Chinese were provoked to intervene, and on the way the truce talks have been dragged out and the issues muddied by American military men hostile from the first to negotiations. I have tried to bring as much of the hidden story to light as I could in order to put the people of the United States and the United Nations on guard."

““You've really got to wear a chastity belt in Washington to preserve your journalistic virginity. Once the secretary of state invites you to lunch
and asks your opinion, you're sunk.”
— I.F. Stone on government manipulation of the media

I.F.Stone-The hidden history of the Korean War, 1950-1951 (A Nonconformist history of our times)pub 1969
PDF manually scanned (not by me)
https://www1.zippyshare.com/v/usPBPa6w/file.html

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http://www.ifstone.org/index.php
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I._F._Stone; 13 August 2018 at 13:29:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: A voice from beyond the Panopticon......

Albert Ayler's.. Raw bruising tone...all earnestness and vulnerability a rustled incantation of the oneness of all things

Take sovereignty over your own paper thin grip on collective sanity,..Yawps the frayed distant fog.; 13 August 2018 at 16:13:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: American Sociologist C.Wright Mills's 1956 “Deep State” analyses, what people now call the Deep State” He then called “The Power Elite”... its simply a more complex proposition these days, and Mills's Power Elite has almost become a shadow Government...with unlimited powers of surveillance.

https://www32.zippyshare.com/v/T3NLD29b/file.html

“First published in 1956, The Power Elite stands as a contemporary classic of social science and
social criticism. C. Wright Mills captivated readers with his penetrating analysis and fiery critique of the organization of power in the United States, calling attention to three firmly
interlocked prongs of power: the military, corporate, and political elite. But while The Power
Elite can be read as an accurate account of what was taking place in America at the time it
was written, its underlying question of whether America is as democratic in practice as it is
in theory is every bit as significant to the culture of today.

What The Power Elite informed readers of in 1956 was how much the power structure in
America had changed during their lifetimes, and Alan Wolfe's astute afterword to this new
edition brings us up to date, illustrating how much more has changed since then. Wolfe offers
profound insight into what is still valid in Mills's book and also explores those predictions
that have not come to bear, discussing the radical changes in American capitalism, from
intense global competition and the collapse of communism to rapid technological transformations and ever-changing consumer tastes. A penetrating work that remains of great relevance, The Power Elite stimulates us to think about the kind of society we have and the kind
of society we might want.
The late C. Wright Mills, Professor of Sociology at Columbia University, was a leading
critic of modern American civilization. Alan Wolfe is the Director of the Center for
Religion and American Public Life at Boston College. He is the author or editor of more
than ten books, including Marginalized in the Middle and One Nation, After All.; 14 August 2018 at 05:43:00 CEST
correct silence said...: Thank you Sotise for the link to investigaction, i didn't know this web site and I have started to check the articles.; 14 August 2018 at 11:10:00 CEST
kinabalu said...: There was an interesting piece in the US magazine The Nation on the leak vs. hack discussion of the DNC servers. As it turns out, the memo sent out by VIPS was not unanimous. Six of the members have voiced their dissension, which is reproduced, as well as a rejoinder by the remaining members of VIPS.

Finally there is a third review of the evidence (or the lack of it) included which concludes that the evidence is, shall we say, inconclusive. It's highly technical, having to do with the transfer speed from the data source to the target. Interesting stuff for all those that find that stuff interesting. Count me in as semi-interested.

https://www.thenation.com/article/a-leak-or-a-hack-a-forum-on-the-vips-memo/

Btw, The Nation is a fine mag, among the closest you get to a social democratic mag in the US in a political climate where the main political choice is the between the right and the far-right. I've been subscribing to the online edition for about five years now.

In a speech given by the leader of the National Rifle Association, he emphasized the importance of individual freedoms (read the 2nd Amendment) which prevents the US from turning into a European socialist country. I've never felt better about being a European socialist!; 15 August 2018 at 15:42:00 CEST
correct silence said...: A conversation started in the recent post of Makoto Terashita. One follower is obviously not agree with the presence of the Palestinian flag on our blog. This place is more appropriate for that kind of conversation. before my answer I reproduce the last comment of this follower named Ranchu.
@correct silence

You are absolutely right! The crimes committed by the Palestinian authority against their own people is insane. The world provides food, shelter and money with the goal of building hospitals, schools and infrastructure but all the money goes to terror activities against Israel. People have nothing to eat but their leaders are living like kings. Sad.

@Ranchu

Recently Israel used cluster bullets against a peaceful Palestinian demonstration, these bullets are normally banned from use. The goal of the Israeli army is simple, causing irreversible injuries that lead to physical disabilities. I will remind you in case you do not know that Israel has not respected any of the resolutions of the United Nation to start with the first that provided for two states. Inform yourself correctly and you will see for example that Hamas was quietly supported by the Israeli secret services in the early 80's in order to cause disunity in Palestine and weaken the O L P, it worked perfectly.
The Israeli pro's argument is still the same, but it makes no sense how much the Israeli army has killed Palestinians in the various offensives. Just one example, during Operation Cast Lead, there were less than a dozen casualties on the Israeli side as a result of the rocket fire, there were 1500 dead on the Palestinian side and the same number of wounded to which humanitarian organizations could not not to access. Who fired on a UN convoy in the 2000s, the cars had the acronyms of United Nation. A friend of mine worked for « Doctors Without Borders » in Nablus, he was regularly intimidated by Tsahal soldiers ; so do not come and tell me your bullshit.
The problem with the state of Israel is that from the moment that it rejects the creation of a Palestinian state, it has no legitimacy. It is maintained by the American Jewish lobby, support from Protestant American evangelicals as well, a shameful passivity of Europe and an even more foul complacency from the Gulf countries. All this holds the existence of Israel, a state under perfusion.; 30 August 2018 at 21:30:00 CEST
correct silence said...: The problem of pro Israelis is that they are ignorant of everything. In particular, they ignore the history of Israel and its most significant moments, such as the murder of Yitzhak Rabin killed by Yigal Amir. This fact says a lot about the climate in which a large part of Israeli society lives, a climate that we can safely call collective paranoia. During the investigation Yigal Amir revealed that he had the idea of killing Rabin at the funeral of Baruch Goldstein. But probably without knowing it Yigal Amir inspired a link between his gesture and an event even older in the history of Israel than the Hebron massacre.
Indeed, the day after the murder of Prime Minister Rabin, a sign was found on a beach in Tel Aviv, on this panel it was written: "to avenge the deaths of the Altalena. I do not develop these facts, if you want to know more, just read the many articles devoted to these facts. Far from being an isolated criminal, Yigal Amir has had support in Israeli society until receiving letters of admiration in his prison. just as Goldstein in his time was a hero for some, so had Amir. What do these events tell us about and the links that some have created between them? On the one hand, the obsession of the enemy is so marked in the Israeli society that it goes as far as to look for it within its borders and on the other hand it can glorify unashamedly isolated criminals like Goldstein or Amire and see in their actions a heroism carrying social values.
Of course the pro-Israelis are far from all these thoughts and constantly vomit the same arguments about Hamas for example. Everyone knows who Hamas is, but would there be Hamas if the Palestinians had a state? Hamas is unfortunately the best pretext provided by the Palestinians for the Israeli army to use the wildest violence. Hamas responds perfectly to the Israeli move to seek an enemy permanently.
But pro Israelis are not only ignorant of Israel's history, they are as ignorant of the history of the ideology to which they refer as Zionism. They are unaware, for example, that at the time of the first persecutions of Jews in Western Europe, some Zionist ideologues did not find the Nazi ideology so antipathetic in that it was nationalist like Zionism and above all they saw in these persecutions the possible trigger of massive immigration to the land of Palestine, the state of Israel not yet existing at that time.
On all these subjects the literature is very important still it is necessary to consult it.
Finally pro Israelis are not only guilty of denial, they are also guilty of ignorance.; 30 August 2018 at 22:30:00 CEST
correct silence said...: Evidently the ranchu did not come here to continue the discussion, it was predictable. Here is his latest contribution to this topic posted here:
http://inconstantsol.blogspot.com/2018/08/makoto-terashita-meets-harold-land.html
« You're right. My bad. Next time you are in Gaza, come over and bring some CDs and LPs. I will bring the humus and pita. We can play music only until 9pm because after that it is forbidden by Hamas. »
It is pathetic, poor ranchu do you know when Hamas have been created? Of course no. It have been created in 1987… And do you know when the israelo-Palestinian conflict started? Of course no. A few dozen years before.
For those who know this conflict well, we know that Hamas is only a consequence, a consequence that suits Israel well because it goes perfectly with the Israeli strategy of always finding an enemy. While the Palestinian Authority has long since abandoned the 1967 borders, while the destruction of the state of Israel no longer appears in the Hamas charter, Israel is finding a new enemy: Iran, justifying that for security reasons, a Palestinian state is still not possible. This is the same speech since 1948, only the name of the enemies changes.
I also recall that Israel did not respect any of the UN resolutions on the creation of a Palestinian state, of course, but also on the many commissions of inquiry that the UN wanted to set up and also on the work. humanitarian workers in wartime.
But obviously like most of the pro Israelis, the ranchu is characterized by a denial of reality and an abysmal lack of culture on the country he defends and on the subject he claims to speak, just able to bark as soon as he see the Palestinian flag somewhere.
Does he even live in Israel? Has he ever set foot in Palestine? Has he ever felt the tension that every Palestinian feels when approaching a check point of Tsahal? Has he ever seen Israeli settlers go to Palestinian villages on Shabbat day escorted by the army and shoot in the air to scare the Palestinian kids?
I would like to end with a very interesting point of view of an Israeli friend, this will probably be difficult to understand for people like the one who barked against the Palestinian flag. This friend pointed out to me that the Israeli nation is made of successive waves of immigrants coming from various countries, cultures, very different histories. Some of these immigrants, for example, have only a very weak understanding of Hebrew, such as Barush Goldstein, of which I spoke earlier. This friend gave me several very interesting examples that would be too long to detail here. It is her conclusion that is the most interesting, here it is "I believe that what unites us is the Palestinian common enemy, if there had not been this common enemy, Israel would probably have exploded for a long time so many people in this country are different from each other. " The Palestinian enemy as one part of the structures of the Israeli nation? This is a very interesting point of view. It can not be denied that this fact brings together a large part of the Israeli population. Those who try to make a different voice heard usually have a hard time, even sometimes named as anti-Semitic Jews.; 2 September 2018 at 18:58:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: The Media in Anglo-phone countries and i believe Germany , possibly the rest of western Europe is now conducting a witch hunt on all who criticize the state of Israel and their genocidal policies of extermination through slow attrition.
its so disgusting, as a consequence for example, Jeremy Corbyn an old Style labor anti-war , welfare state social- democrat has been all but destroyed and ousted from his own Party .... the cheerleaders for this appalling character assassination have been Britain's supposed left liberal Guardian and Observer newspapers.

This is wholesale revisionism , all of Corbyn's anti-racist speeches and campaigns over decades shoved down the Orwellian memory hole ... what is despicable is the incessant attacks being instigated and lead by so called newspapers of record who claim objectivity and lack of bias , a risible claim at best.... so Corbyn's Party is being purged of supposed Anti-Semites by the Left and Right establishment elites, many have been forced out by the Blairite Neo-Liberal faction as a consequence , any just person with eyes to see regardless of what they think of Corbyn and his socialism can see that this is a stich-up and attempt by the ruling elites to stem the tide of "left wing populism"...and avert a roll back of their trickle down economy.

I Have no respect whatsoever for the vast majority of corporate journalists , who parade their non existent objectivity ....

none the less We ought not forget that some of the State of Israels biggest critics are in fact a very few brave Israeli reporters, Amira Hass and Gideon Levy...for example.

Gideon Levy Articles, https://www.haaretz.com/misc/writers/WRITER-1.4968119
Amira Hass Articles, https://www.commondreams.org/author/amira-hass

Both write for the liberal Israeli newspaper Haaretz and are republished elsewhere as well
they would have zero chance of being published in the Guardian and the NYT in this current climate of Anti-Semitic witch hunts.... both and a large minority of Israeli Jews including conscripted military who refuse service in Gaza or the West Bank have been pointing out the genocidal nature of Israel's Ethnic cleansing.

Israeli Soldiers Breaking The Silence on the Occupation of Palestine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYXdoipaqnY

The British labour Party is now being forced through media and political pressure to adopt a self seving fictional definition of antisemitism put forward by the "International Holocaust Remembrance association "
https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/working-definition-antisemitism

https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2018-08-16/corbyn-labour-fail-design/
https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2018-08-08/labour-crisis-israel-anti-semitism/
https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2018-06-08/guardian-anti-semites/; 4 September 2018 at 06:10:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: FOLLOWING ON FROM MY PREVIOUS COMMENT TODAY

Jewish Voice for Peace proud to stand in global solidarity against harmful definition of antisemitism and with human rights and freedom to protest

"New York, London, Berlin, Tel Aviv (July 17, 2018) – From South Africa to Sweden, New Zealand to Germany to Brazil, for the first time ever over thirty Jewish organizations across the globecame together in a statement condemning attempts to stifle criticism of Israel."
https://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/30jewishgroupsbds/; 4 September 2018 at 07:32:00 CEST
Anonymous said...: Here is something people are unlikely to read about in the Corporate Media , given the almost total Media Blackout about the genocidal War on Yemen , by the Gulf Kingdoms, The US, UK, France ,Germany and others...
It also highlights the importance of Wikileaks as a Peoples Intelligence Service, if one can get past the almost choreographed slander and attacks on both Assange and the Organization.

"PARIS — The transparency organization WikiLeaks just released a new document that sheds light on the corruption behind a lucrative French/German arms deal with the United Arab Emirates (UAE), weapons that are currently being used to wage a disastrous and genocidal war against the people of Yemen.

The document details a court case from the International Chamber of Commerce (ICC) International Court of Arbitration regarding a dispute over a “commission payment” made to Abbas Ibrahim Yousef Al-Yousef, an Emirati businessman, as part of a $3.6 billion arms deal between France’s state-owned weapons company Nexter Systems (then GIAT Industries SA) and the UAE. Per the deal, which was signed in 1993 and set to conclude in 2008, the UAE purchased 388 Leclerc combat tanks, 46 armored vehicles, 2 training tanks, and spare parts, as well as ammunition.

Those weapons have been an important part of the UAE and Saudi coalition’s war in Yemen since it began in 2015. The war has killed over ten thousand civilians, largely the result of the Saudi/UAE bombing campaign, which has targeted and crippled the country’s civilian infrastructure. The result of those bombings..."

https://www.mintpressnews.com/new-wikileaks-doc-exposes-corruption-in-uae-arms-deal-fueling-war-on-yemen/250045/
link to the actual document cited in the article
https://wikileaks.org/dealmaker/Al-Yousef/releases/#Dealmaker:%20Al%20Yousef; 1 October 2018 at 02:39:00 CEST
correct silence said...: Here is the more recent hypocrisy of the crook Vitko. I'm interested in the lp of Giger Lenz Marron Beyond but I know the man who steals regularly some music on others blogs, on youtube or on Itunes to present them as lossless files after doing some equalizing and pushing some frequencies. So when I saw his recent post:
http://differentperspectivesinmyroom.blogspot.com/2018/10/giger-lenz-marron-beyond-nagara-mix.html

I was expecting that it was not his own rip and I checked on the web. I had just to type the names and the title of the lp and here is what I found:

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2jkwjw

I compared both rip and the very few surfaces noises are exactly at the same place, check for exemple the track 5 and you will hear that I'm right. he just separated the tracks, doing some fade in and fade out for each of the six tracks, used the equalizer to push some frequencies and export the complete work in lossless.

You are the shame of the blogosphere man, why don't you turn private as you promised to do some month ago.; 5 October 2018 at 20:40:00 CEST
Vitko said...: You should have listened to a little bit more carefully. In this your example you will find that the number two "Quinar" is completely destroyed, interrupted, torn and skips, simply can not be listened to. And the distortion? It goes without saying, who has a good ear will easily notice. How did you miss it? So what you're doing here does not hold water. My rip is perfect and smooth without damage, the sound is exactly the same as the album was shot.
I'm so glad that this can be now compared.; 8 October 2018 at 17:31:00 CEST
correct silence said...: I think you shouldn't be so glad so fast, it is very easy to find a clean version of this title:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPNjt12vraM
and if it is really your rip it a sort of event, one of the first time that you are honest.
About your recent post of Jean Tacet, if I were you I should be careful because it is really the souffle continu who have told you to remove the link, even if he posted in anonymous. The next step will be a complain on google for unauthorized copy. I know the souffle continu label, they are friends of mine and I also knew producer Gérard Therrones so stop playing this game, this lp is still available. I let my friends doing what they have to do.; 8 October 2018 at 20:56:00 CEST
Vitko said...: I really like "Tacet," that album has something unreal in itself. I did not have the opportunity to get a copy from 1971 and, after so many years I finally bought (2015) this beautiful copy of SouffleContinu Records.
I've given you a few links that lead you to a websites where it's clearly seen that this LP is sold out. And now ...?...what I know?... Anyway, if I get some official notice (this happened at IS on several occasions), I will, of course, pull the link, but of this way ... this it can chew anyone.
But anyway, dear correct silence, if you need some album, I'm at your disposal. And so far you have downloaded a bunch of great releases from me, so one more or less will not be a problem.; 8 October 2018 at 23:08:00 CEST
correct silence said...: The best way to find the availability of a record is to search it:
http://soufflecontinu.com/index.php?f=detail&ean=3491570051221&search=jean%20guérin
it is the web site of the store.
To be honest I meet one of the two founders of the label yesterday for an interview about the second edition of the festival Musiques Re belles. One is ready to go further and to complain directly at google, the second guy is just disappointed of that kind of attitude, telling me that the label is doing some research and creation to reissue some records and some guys like you just post a link for free without any respect for the job they did. I don't know what they will do in fact it is their business but be aware that someone who post in "anonymous" can be the real person he pretend to be. They are not using regularly blogs, they create music and some people like you just destroy the job they do. Recently even the lp start to sell less and less. Just one exemple, they have planned to reissue on cd the Cohelmec Ensemble and the Dharma (available on lp) but they have no money to do it and they perhaps will never do it due to the level of sales. But you can continue your destroying job music lover.
About the fact that in the past I have downloaded some files at your blog, it is true until I saw that some were fake lossless I stopped immediately and delete the few that I had.; 9 October 2018 at 07:22:00 CEST
Vitko said...: OK, thank you for the store's web site. It missed me when I was searching online. It seems that this album is still really available. My mistake, but if they failed to sell 500 copies for 4 years, I am very sorry because I think their releases are extraordinary. I have one more of their great LPs; "Bernard Vitet - La Guêpe". I feel great respect for musicians and publishers and do not violate the rules deliberately, if some blunder occurs, it is a coincidence, or rather, without evil intent, a man can not always to know everything... In my country we are accustomed to communicate with recognizable identification,... An anonymous letter, no one regards as serious.
But what you sent to me is okay and I acknowledge the mistake, I pull the link.
Thank you for the notice.; 9 October 2018 at 17:05:00 CEST
Bill said...: https://pitchfork.com/news/jazz-musician-and-buddhist-priest-joseph-jarman-dead-at-81/; 12 January 2019 at 21:31:00 CET
Ernst Grgo Nebhuth said...: R.I.P.
Alvin Fielder - November 23, 1935 - January 5, 2019
Robert Barry - December 4, 1932 - January 8, 2019
Joseph Jarman - September 14, 1937 - January 10, 2019; 13 January 2019 at 10:47:00 CET
Anonymous said...: An interesting article on Propaganda its nature and function in the main stream media, Solid profoundly researched analyses......Also delving into how Corporate Media Propaganda memes, Migrate contributing to one giant Web or Echo Chamber.

In German
Der Propaganda-Multiplikator
https://swprs.org/der-propaganda-multiplikator/

in English
The Propaganda Multiplier
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/51199.htm
https://swprs.org/; 6 March 2019 at 10:29:00 CET
Ernst Grgo Nebhuth said...: Hi Sotise,

thanks for the link to this article.

But I would like to add a few observations to the website / organisation on which the article / pdf is hosted.

First it is interesting to notice that the allegedly Swiss website uses the "ß". This 'replacement' for "ss" is not used in Switzerland and Liechtenstein but in Germany only.

I wonder why there's no name/author with the articles - i.e. the few that I've checked. Plus I saw several links to website's which have articles about UFO, corn-circles or about the different intellectual abilities of socalled races.
This is for me - especially the last point - utter bullshit. So I will read the article about propaganda with care.
But I try to read all political, social, scientific etc. etc. works with care and a critical mind.; 6 March 2019 at 12:53:00 CET
Dominic said...: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AyS9Bdp7U0; 17 May 2019 at 00:18:00 CEST
correct silence said...: This Lousy without perspectives has no limits, after recycling cd or mp3 stolen from other blogs and have passed for lossless lp’s, now he recycles old posts from here thinking that no one will notice it, after having reached the bottom he reach now es the basements of mediocrity. Will he go down even further and also make a journey to the center of the earth?
Of course he will explain that it is his own version as the two previous Brotzmann and Jiri Stivin and of course we will believe him because he has never stolen anywhere.
So if you want the original of his latest find from his big collection you can find it here:
http://inconstantsol.blogspot.com/2012/07/steve-miller-trio-feat-lol-coxhill.html; 18 August 2019 at 13:46:00 CEST
mike said...: Sorry, don't know where else to put this....

The New Links for Old Posts section on the home page is getting rather long and unwieldy again. Any chance it could be cleaned up?

Thank you!; 24 November 2019 at 17:54:00 CET
mike said...: I just want to wish everyone well during this terrible pandemic. Stay safe out there, everyone, while listening to good music!; 20 March 2020 at 17:02:00 CET
Ernst Grgo Nebhuth said...: HI mike - thank you for your good wishes.; 20 March 2020 at 20:18:00 CET
correct silence said...: For those who are french or who speak easily french here is a real good website of information, not the radio, newspaper or television that are the soldiers of the neoliberalism propaganda
https://www.lemediatv.fr
this link could be added to our political links list.; 18 May 2020 at 14:46:00 CEST
MichaelW said...: Any idea why Norton Safe Web insists that inconstantsol.blogspot.com is a Dangerous Webpage and blocks it? It does let you go ahead if you really want to - which I do! It just takes a few extra clicks.

Here's their "full report":

https://safeweb.norton.com/report/show?url=https://inconstantsol.blogspot.com/2011/01/free-form.html?commentPage=2&ulang=en

It is apparently the victim of Norton's "automated analysis system". It gives not a clue as to how it has arrived at its decision to declare the site "Dangerous". You can submit a dispute if you would like to.; 26 December 2020 at 09:23:00 CET
volumeselector said...: I was disappointed that the blog didn't do anything for the passing of Milford Graves. Not a mention. R.I.P. Milford Graves.; 23 February 2021 at 03:14:00 CET
rev.b said...: @volumeselector, That silence was your cue! Won't you post a fevorite Milford now?; 13 March 2021 at 05:02:00 CET
Rick Lopez / bb10k said...: Anyone here??
The Sam Rivers Sessionography is shipping NOW: : :
https://www.gofundme.com/f/sam-rivers-sessionography; 4 November 2022 at 00:54:00 CET
Ernst Grgo Nebhuth said...: HI Rick - thanks for the heads-up. Shall spread the news also at other channels (not only the web).
Gratulation!; 4 November 2022 at 11:00:00 CET
JT said...: Is it possible to post Emergency: Prayer For Peace?; 18 October 2023 at 02:47:00 CEST
Nick said...: Homage to Peace? or Amalgam - Prayer For Peace?; 18 October 2023 at 21:16:00 CEST
German said...: Hi! I discovered L.D. Levy's music in this blog, so I will ask this here, I've been in contact with him since last year and I've been helping him to get his music to reach more people, I wanted all of you to know that he's recording a new album, but he's looking for a label to publish it so he can get more promotion of his music, so I wanted to ask if you know some label or if you have a small label or something to help him to publish his new work, this is my email so you can contact me if you're interested or if you know something: german220896@gmail.com

Thanks in advance!; 22 March 2024 at 16:58:00 CET
mike said...: I'm curious if anyone knows what the title to Chicago Art Ensemble's "A Jackson In Your House" refers to. Milt? Someone else? A non-sequitur?

Googling is not providing much info.

Thanks!; 2 May 2024 at 03:24:00 CEST
Ernst Grgo Nebhuth said...: Hi mike - I dimly recall that I've read something about what the title means/refers to but do not find or remember the source.
Yet - maybe you will find some explanation here.

http://paulsteinbeck.com/Paul%20Steinbeck_2011_Intermusicality,%20Humor,%20and%20Cultural%20Critique.pdf

And maybe this is related .... https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jackson; 2 May 2024 at 19:04:00 CEST
German said...: Hi! I previously posted on the blog to share that L.D. Levy was working on a new album. Since I saw that the blog community enjoyed his music, I wanted to let you know that he has finished recording it, and it’s now available on streaming services. The album is called "d n a n d." I'm helping him reach a wider audience, so if anyone is interested, feel free to give it a listen. Thanks for reading!; 21 October 2024 at 01:21:00 CEST

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