tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post3017877439769776242..comments2024-03-18T20:55:18.558+01:00Comments on inconstant sol: Spontaneous Music Ensemble - KaryobinNickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06541622427963452170noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-81743921211087214722019-07-29T05:12:46.305+02:002019-07-29T05:12:46.305+02:00Unfortunately I missed out on the Chronoscope vers...Unfortunately I missed out on the Chronoscope version (was OOP by the time I was looking even though I was able to pick up EP's Monoceros on Chrono). I snapped up the Japanese Universal version in 2016 & much to my dispappointment was notified not long after (on MD's mailing list) that Emanem were doing a remastered version - havn't picked that up yet but will do so soon. What a waste going for that Japanese "needle drop" copy - only advantage with that version was hopefully to hear the doorbell sound (buzzing distortion according to EP on one of his interviews with MD) of Yoko Ono at the door of the studio - it was audible on the original vinyl version. I have listened to the Japanese version a number of times but cannot hear any extraneous noises/distortion that may resemble what EP describes. Maybe they "tweaked" the needle drop to eliminate this. Just historical interest here. Any comments on this?? Anyone have an original copy & can identify where this sound occurs through the LP.romualdo australiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01317610843396607758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-45353304104710882017-12-23T17:05:34.418+01:002017-12-23T17:05:34.418+01:00this has just been reissued in splendid sound by E...this has just been reissued in splendid sound by Emanem<br />http://www.emanemdisc.com/E5046.html<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-48306101113100518162017-11-01T17:38:39.295+01:002017-11-01T17:38:39.295+01:00Hello Ernst - yes, Summer 1967 is indeed excellent...Hello Ernst - yes, <i>Summer 1967</i> is indeed excellent - you can really hear where many of the ideas for <i>Karyobin</i> originated, and the lineage from Webern, Ornette Coleman and Jimmy Giuffre is very clear. I must go and listen to some of those now.Tantrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11557363100127176047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-278511901765642942017-11-01T16:53:25.451+01:002017-11-01T16:53:25.451+01:00Thank you, Tantris for your short review. I've...Thank you, Tantris for your short review. I've already ordered a copy for me.<br />And yes Emanem 4005 is recommended without reservation here as well.<br />Ernst Grgo Nebhuthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08943330364275282165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-35109021399063564162017-11-01T15:52:48.846+01:002017-11-01T15:52:48.846+01:00I've been listening to the remastered Karyobin...I've been listening to the remastered <i>Karyobin</i> and it is excellent; there is much more presence, and the percussion in particular has a bite which is hidden on the Chronoscope CD. Strongly recommended. The packaging & notes are interesting and high quality as well.<br /><br />The Stevens / Parker duos I mentioned above, which preceded the <i>Karyobin</i> quintet, are available on Emanem 4005, <i>Summer 1967.</i> Again, highly recommended.Tantrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11557363100127176047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-30488849295319748762017-10-29T10:18:05.044+01:002017-10-29T10:18:05.044+01:00Great to see this reissued; the notes on the Eman...Great to see this reissued; the notes on the Emanem site are excellent.Tantrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11557363100127176047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-10456362930908371572017-10-27T15:14:09.667+02:002017-10-27T15:14:09.667+02:00Removed the link. Martin Davidson's Emanem has...Removed the link. Martin Davidson's Emanem has released a newly remastered CD edition.<br />http://www.emanemdisc.com/E5046.htmlErnst Grgo Nebhuthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08943330364275282165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-44807639246659706172017-04-08T20:00:33.245+02:002017-04-08T20:00:33.245+02:00Hi Nick - understand.
I have also the first CD ed...Hi Nick - understand. <br />I have also the first CD edtion on Chronoscope which is the one I listen to.<br />This weekend I'll will listen to the LP - via your rip - for the first time :-)Ernst Grgo Nebhuthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08943330364275282165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-56861718351926957422017-04-08T16:53:09.015+02:002017-04-08T16:53:09.015+02:00Hi Ernst, I meant the first CD release that was po...Hi Ernst, I meant the first CD release that was posted earlier - 30 Euro is way too much for CDs for sure.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06541622427963452170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-28760018370180772232017-04-08T08:34:14.914+02:002017-04-08T08:34:14.914+02:00Thank you, Nick for the LP rip.
I don't mean t...Thank you, Nick for the LP rip.<br />I don't mean that the Japanese edition has a mediocre sound. But at least for the price I paid - about 30 euros - I would have thought that it is from the master tapes. Or at least a bit better needle-drop.<br />However - in general I'm happy with any (lossless) possibility to hear those exciting sounds.<br />Sometimes even lossy will do...<br />Ernst Grgo Nebhuthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08943330364275282165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-85552818973841401012017-04-08T01:56:08.667+02:002017-04-08T01:56:08.667+02:00BIG THX!...BIG THX!...francisco santoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16129800422228079263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-49312505386760915872017-04-08T01:51:20.750+02:002017-04-08T01:51:20.750+02:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06541622427963452170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-33919374834376059272017-04-06T16:37:21.921+02:002017-04-06T16:37:21.921+02:00Maybe a bit late - but the Japanese edition is rat...Maybe a bit late - but the Japanese edition is rather disappointing.<br />It is audibly a needle-drop with no tracks at all. Only side A and side B.<br />I have the first CD edition which sounds to my ears much better the above mentioned Japanese CD.Ernst Grgo Nebhuthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08943330364275282165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-36768032099750425972016-05-19T11:44:00.495+02:002016-05-19T11:44:00.495+02:00Here's a link to the release of Karyobin on cD...Here's a link to the release of Karyobin on cD in Japan;<br /><br />http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/UICY-77702<br /><br />Good to see this back in circulation, albeit only in Japan at the moment. I think the links above were dead, but I've removed them anyway. I'm still hoping for a release with some of the original tapes of the Stevens & Parker, assuming that tapes of that are still extant.Tantrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11557363100127176047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-84035290838944551682014-07-01T09:24:44.844+02:002014-07-01T09:24:44.844+02:00I've been listening to the Karyobin CD a lot o...I've been listening to the Karyobin CD a lot over the last few weeks, through a decent system - I'm not noticing any particular deficiency in either the recording quality or the mix - quite the opposite, in fact - it's one of the better CD transfers out there. It would still be interesting to compare to the vinyl, of course.<br /><br />It's interesting to read some of Evan Parker's observations on Karyobin in various interviews. It started as a duo, between Stevens and Parker, and then became a quintet when the Island recording opportunity materialised. EP hints that there may be some tapes of the original duo - now those, together with a remix of the quintet, would definitely make an interesting reissue! Here's hoping.Tantrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11557363100127176047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-15398056956662669732014-06-13T22:47:01.390+02:002014-06-13T22:47:01.390+02:00Many thanks for the upgrade on this one. I have ne...Many thanks for the upgrade on this one. I have never managed to find the vinyl or the short-lived CD edition and have happily made do with MP3s. As for the endless debate --- it's impossible for me to speak for anybody but myself, but before the advent of places like Inconstant Sol, much of the history of jazz and free improvisation was known to me in name only. I've been buying records since I was 9 years old in 1969 and I'm still buying them. If I get an opportunity to buy an actual copy of Karyobin (or Juba-Lee or any of about 35 FMPs on my want-list) you'd better believe I'll do so. I was very happy to be able to fill some gaps in my knowledge with the FMP store at Destination Out, but now that is gone as well. The fact is that the economics of pressing CDs and the scattered state of masters, rights etc. makes it unlikely that many once-available items will ever be available in physical form again. In the meantime, Inconstant Sol is keeping the history available, in the same way that the public library ought to be doing. And when 'Topography of the lungs' was re-issued by Evan Parker, when classic Noah Howard records became available as commercial downloads, when a used copy of Machine Gun showed up in the local chop, I paid for physical copies of music I would never have heard if not for the unpaid hours of curatorial work by the historians of culture of the internet.<br /><br />Thanks again for this one and so many others and I will be sure and purchase a new Incus and Psi CD within the next couple of months!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-36323578801365962362014-05-29T21:19:09.506+02:002014-05-29T21:19:09.506+02:00Not going to touch the other debate with a long po...Not going to touch the other debate with a long pole, instead I'll just say thanks for offering this one for download. The performance does sound slightly muted (re noise reduction), but the playing is absolutely gorgeous. Stevens is phenomenal, and he really keeps things buoyant and propulsive. leenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-85489815381123944652014-05-19T18:26:46.397+02:002014-05-19T18:26:46.397+02:00Colin, not to be argumentative, but what does mone...Colin, not to be argumentative, but what does money have to do with it? Why does anyone in this "Art-form",{using the term loosely],think there's a big payoff? if there was we'd be disectting George Benson and the gang!<br /> You have a great point, of course, though. The Masters of this scene probably figure that in this day and age, w/o the government/high society funding streams, plus thedownloadingfree generation's adversion to spending cash that there isn't much point to releasing much any more. {I could have worded that more clearly!]<br /> Maybe the Sol-honcho's could run an informal poll: How many of us would PAy to hear an hour of hi-musical quality material by our heroes that has not been made public before? 50, 150, 750?<br />Hardly anything seems to sell even a thousand units anymore...<br /> I want to revitalize my old label, but my wife says "what's the point?"...Best wishes to all, and happy New year!Mixed up nutzonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-1013281472892153072014-05-19T08:36:19.516+02:002014-05-19T08:36:19.516+02:00Quite possibly, but if there was a lot of money to...Quite possibly, but if there was a lot of money to be made out of them, I'm sure we'd have heard by now. Colin Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15299083093155110037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-15427023823272709822014-05-18T21:46:44.614+02:002014-05-18T21:46:44.614+02:00Thanks Colin, you made the clown's day! But fo...Thanks Colin, you made the clown's day! But for the $ it cost, a dutchman should come by and light up a huge one while they rubberband it up for me! Someone there must be sitting on a stashof tapes like GroupComposing and Unlawful Noise that would blow us all away!!!Tired Zo Needs a Pick-me-Upnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-40018257897536232642014-05-18T11:16:09.812+02:002014-05-18T11:16:09.812+02:00And a tip concerning the dreadful packaging of the...And a tip concerning the dreadful packaging of the ICP box set. Tip them on the floor, sort them into order and then wrap each pack of ten in an elastic band and stack them in the box. Not perfect, but it worked for me.Colin Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15299083093155110037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-59583362150047813512014-05-18T01:39:36.318+02:002014-05-18T01:39:36.318+02:00thanks a lot for giving a really listenable of thi...thanks a lot for giving a really listenable of this one.sandor essedyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10033247323535021302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-51746870789441523332014-05-17T00:30:39.674+02:002014-05-17T00:30:39.674+02:00According to Tantris’ post above, the flac posting...According to Tantris’ post above, the flac posting is taken from the CD, although his arithmetic is a bit out: it was released in 1993, 21 years ago. That’s when I picked up my copy on CD (can it really be that long ago). It sounds fine to me, but I know that Ben Watson has some negative things to say about it in his book about Derek Bailey, and he reports that Bailey was not impressed with the transfer. I don’t have it on vinyl and can’t make a comparison. <br /><br />The link for the original post of the mp3 file on Rapidshare still works, but a cursory listen suggests that it’s a CD rather than an LP rip (absence of vinyl noise) but I could be wrong. <br />Colin Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15299083093155110037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-91362624296709016732014-05-16T21:32:32.090+02:002014-05-16T21:32:32.090+02:00Interesting debate - thanks guys. Btw - is this SM...Interesting debate - thanks guys. Btw - is this SME upload taken from the CD or the orig vinyl? I am led to believe they sound very differentand the vinyl is far superior, the CD apparently suffering from some ham fisted noise reduction techniques. Any ideas? - PhilAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-68664116868967233612014-05-16T03:07:51.430+02:002014-05-16T03:07:51.430+02:00The Jef Gilson compilations and box are nicely don...The Jef Gilson compilations and box are nicely done.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06541622427963452170noreply@blogger.com