tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post1120748385951855858..comments2024-03-27T22:22:06.465+01:00Comments on inconstant sol: Dewey Redman - The Struggle ContinuesNickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06541622427963452170noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-57028830895063063532009-02-07T15:03:00.000+01:002009-02-07T15:03:00.000+01:00thanks for that tip on Jimmy Lyons -- I'd seen the...thanks for that tip on Jimmy Lyons -- I'd seen the disks and passed them by, now I won't!<BR/><BR/>As for in-print shares, so long as its reasonably, you're absolutely right, I can tell you more tales of back-catalog artists who suddenly lept up the queue because some kind fan had to tell their friends, even when their own copyright-owner wouldn't lift a finger to promote them (never confuse the two, copyright-owner and the-artist are almost <I>never</I> the same person) - but there are those artists who just don't want to be found, and who say so, and we have to respect that too, and it does seem a little overkill when you see the <I>entire</I> Saturn catalog available as a single bittorrent share.<BR/><BR/>MP3 blogs seem a happy medium, maybe more so than radio: they are discoverable, they give you some background and context, you can share your knowledge with others, a community springs up around the music the way it should be, and everybody wins.mrGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00582052332934960204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-21993912286174994872009-02-07T11:31:00.000+01:002009-02-07T11:31:00.000+01:00You never get enough Dewey Redman, unsung hero if ...You never get enough Dewey Redman, unsung hero if there was, the man in Ornette's shadow (just like Jimmy Lyons with Cecil Taylor) but a man with a true musical world of his own. Listen to Ear of the Behearer, for instance.<BR/>As for uploading music still in print, the fight will never cease. I just think sharing & making know about underpublicized work will always be more important than limiting its access. Who does not want to pay for sthg will always find a way to get it free. For my part, I prefer to buy records directly from the artists during concerts or on the Net, escaping the hand down of big companies – most of the time – not involved in the creative process.<BR/>By the way, I've already bought the Dewey's CD but can find it again in my messy collection, which never runs particular order. So thx for the uploading & very sorry for the departure of some beloved contributors of that fantastic blog. Keep up the good work, folks!zardoz1984https://www.blogger.com/profile/15146686227008430185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-61945820761348827502009-02-05T22:11:00.000+01:002009-02-05T22:11:00.000+01:00many thanks! more dewey redman always welcome...many thanks! more dewey redman always welcome...tmorangehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13540323590390887131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-8891444189448596462009-01-26T04:20:00.000+01:002009-01-26T04:20:00.000+01:00I think the mystique surrounding many of the jazz ...I think the mystique surrounding many of the jazz greats is at least an equal part of bravado and stringing the journalists along as far as they can, although there is very definately another more serious side that earnestly explores the space and effect of this thing called 'Music', and in that regard, <A HREF="http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=UHYOCOStIdQ" REL="nofollow">this YouTube of Ornette and George Russell</A> carries an interesting remark at the end: for all the mystery when seen from the western musical traditions, all they are doing, really, is applying "<I>third world technology</I>"mrGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00582052332934960204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-59323717565763249402009-01-26T02:07:00.000+01:002009-01-26T02:07:00.000+01:00Thanks for the insight into Ornette Coleman's repu...Thanks for the insight into Ornette Coleman's reputation. I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds his musical theories somewhat mystifying.dee eshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02686422213582619357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-12398063302802516652009-01-26T00:57:00.000+01:002009-01-26T00:57:00.000+01:00re: Ornette vs The New Free ... I'm not the great...re: Ornette vs The New Free ... I'm not the great connoisseur that you might find in a really technical musicologist like Ethan Iverson (who has written extensively on Ornette's method and has Ornette's blessing for his own version of it) but it just seems to me there is a lot of decoder-ring information in some of Ornette's remarks to the media.<BR/><BR/>One that I especially love is "<I>Just because someone can't read doesn't mean they don't have something important to say</I>" -- there is a quality to Ornette and especially to Don Cherry that is open and <I>inclusive</I>. He doesn't shun virtuosity, but he doesn't require it either, it is unimportant compared to the <I>human dimensions</I> of the sound. <BR/><BR/>I find an element in some of the newer players that verges on an elitism, an in-crowd for <I>Them who have the nous</I> initiates, whether that is Triadic Chromatic or Braxton's dimensions or The New Complexity or whatever the <I>hip trick du jour</I> might be, and this can lose sight of why we play this music in the first place. Sure TCA is an <I>approach</I>, a <I>tool</I> but I fear too many bands never stop to ask what it is the tool is being used to build.<BR/><BR/>Some of that intellectualizing is, I expect, posturing by players who are intimidated by the Conservatory Crowd that turns its noses up at anything that can't say how many sharps it uses or whether or not it qualifies for 'funding' or whatever other thick appliqué of cosmetics the lady may feel she needs to wear to be 'beautiful', and that may be why its mostly only here, in the 'enlightened' and 'advanced' western civilization where we just can't meet on some saturday streetcorner and just <I>play</I> and <I>dance</I> and enjoy what Sun Ra called <I>the Joyful Noise</I>.mrGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00582052332934960204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-73055777292878833302009-01-26T00:34:00.000+01:002009-01-26T00:34:00.000+01:00Thank to gsrbts2 for sharing this on Dewey Redman....Thank to gsrbts2 for sharing this on Dewey Redman.<BR/><BR/>Great posting, it's hard to find this one!<BR/><BR/>best, Kike.<BR/><BR/>ps: I think we must always respect all the people who want to share the best free improvised music. Be respectful and grateful! Peace and Love.kikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652642265825736215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-30618917971222211722009-01-25T20:05:00.000+01:002009-01-25T20:05:00.000+01:00I have this record too and (sorry for the 'negativ...I have this record too and (sorry for the 'negativity' about to follow), but I've always hated it when the leader (usually the lead horn) is mixed and/or recorded so much louder than the rhythm section that is accompanying--in 'modern times' it seems this 'practice' could be somewhat mitigated--but it still happened frequently. Along with this record by D. Redman, albums by David Murray and Arthur Blythe seem to be main culprits in this. I mean really, Edward Blackwell sounds like he is playing in a different room! Maybe it's an ego thing (definitely the case with Murray) or maybe just bad engineering, but being a drummer, it always pissed me off that such a great talent like Blackwell can barely be heard above the 'screeching' of D. Redman.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-27772348828765551442009-01-25T18:16:00.000+01:002009-01-25T18:16:00.000+01:00I won't download this as I already own the vinyl (...I won't download this as I already own the vinyl (and a dubbed CD copy), but I will comment: any and all Dewey Redman is worth investigation. There's something about the relationship between Texas and the tenor saxophone (in any musical "genre") that really resonates. Great post!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-9997489758137453532009-01-25T16:14:00.000+01:002009-01-25T16:14:00.000+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-35049491750924712032009-01-25T16:03:00.000+01:002009-01-25T16:03:00.000+01:00I've heard of Redman though I can't remember where...I've heard of Redman though I can't remember where. This is what I like about IS - its an education.<BR/><BR/>I'm not a great fan of the really out there stuff that sounds to my ears like random noises, screeches etc, but I like the out there stuff from Coltrane and Dolphy. <BR/><BR/>I don't know where this DR will fit into the picture, but even if its not to my taste its something new to hear and learn about, always with cross references to other jazzers in the band etc. and what they do.<BR/><BR/>Yay Inconstant Sol!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-80145823105742235572009-01-25T10:55:00.000+01:002009-01-25T10:55:00.000+01:00Thanks, gsrbrts2. A well chosen post!!!At IS we h...Thanks, gsrbrts2. A well chosen post!!!<BR/><BR/>At IS we haven't only posted out of print material, although that's what guides my own posts.<BR/><BR/>David, thanks for getting involved in the conversation. I think Ornette Coleman gets enormous respect, but possibly for his past achievements. I'd certainly count myself as one of those who includes Coleman's ground-breaking Atlantic recordings as some of my all-time favorites. They did not get such a welcome at the time, of course, and Coleman became the focus for some of the greatest vitriol at the time targeted at musicians who were seeking a freerer style. <BR/><BR/>I'd have to say, though, that I find Coleman's recordings very uneven. He seems most interested in experiment, and is often viewed as rejecting cornerstones of jazz. Miles Davis was particularly incensed when Coleman started playing trumpet (and violin). Since Coleman had often been accused of lacking skill as a sax player, when he purposely played instruments he was clearly not that skilled at playing many in the jazz establishment were enraged. He carried on in the same vein for most of his career: he added his son to his band on drums when Coleman jnr was just a teenager; and developed musical theories to guide his playing that make little sense to the rest of us. <BR/><BR/>Perhaps the problem that even free jazz fans have with Coleman is that he seems little interested in virtuosity, a quality held in high regard by most jazz fans.<BR/><BR/>I don't know whether others would agree with my next comment, but I also think he seemed to have broken through many barriers in music, but not influenced many players. I sense, though, amongst young British players a reawakening of interest in Coleman's past music that isn't focused on his virtuosity, tone, or reputation, but on modes of playing and thinking about jazz.Wallofsoundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06014684618994672535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-31070261872182345912009-01-25T09:39:00.000+01:002009-01-25T09:39:00.000+01:00Thanks for this Redman post. I'm one of the many "...Thanks for this Redman post. I'm one of the many "hit and run" fans of Inconstant Sol that have been the topic of conversation lately and am starting to comment now with the promise of more active involvement.<BR/><BR/>I'm new to jazz and this blog has provided me with a remarkable education. I first started listening to "free jazz" a few years ago, initially attracted by Ornette Coleman's early recordings.<BR/><BR/>I mention that in the hopes of sparking conversation, and furthering my own education. I've noticed Ornette's name popping up from time to time in posts, this one being the most recent. Unlike this post, however, most of the references have carried a dismissive tone (see the Joe Harriott post from a few weeks ago, which was fantastic, by the way. Thank you for that. I was previously uninitiated and my eyes are still watering, as one commenter said they would).<BR/><BR/>So, as a newbie, my question is this: Why is Ornette Coleman, if not disliked, less respected in the contemporary free scene? What's the critique? In the Harriott post Rab Hines mentioned a few specifics--certainly more than most--by saying that Ornette's recordings "tended to remain anchored to a bebop-derived pulse."<BR/><BR/>To be honest, though, Harriott's music seemed to my untrained ear more anchored to traditionally bebop-derived pulses than Ornette's. So I'm wondering what I'm missing in the music. Can anyone explain the move away from the beginnings of free jazz into different territories?<BR/><BR/>Again, I'm rather new at all this and am genuinely curious. I certainly don't mean to be contentious about how to interpret Ornette Coleman historically. I'm just wondering what's at stake in the discussion. I hope this leads to productive conversation here. This has been probably the most educational blog I've read since getting into blogs early last year, and I'd really like to see it continue. Perhaps in a more interactive way, even.<BR/><BR/>Best,<BR/>daviddee eshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02686422213582619357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-42196774648149906072009-01-25T08:40:00.000+01:002009-01-25T08:40:00.000+01:00But this is in print gsrbrts2 !In the last 2 1/2 w...But this is in print gsrbrts2 !<BR/>In the last 2 1/2 weeks, suddenly, inconstant sol features in-print recordings ? ! ?<BR/>je pars...servicetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11411489012950761292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-86813314470089160592009-01-25T05:43:00.000+01:002009-01-25T05:43:00.000+01:00MP3 SCANShttp://rapidshare.com/files/189027472/Dew...MP3 SCANS<BR/><BR/>http://rapidshare.com/files/189027472/Dewwy_Redman_MP3.zipgsrbrts2https://www.blogger.com/profile/06785332758366142549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-70904324722609655402009-01-25T05:27:00.000+01:002009-01-25T05:27:00.000+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-75933416569067705272009-01-25T05:12:00.000+01:002009-01-25T05:12:00.000+01:00FLAC SCANShttp://rapidshare.com/files/189019723/dw...FLAC SCANS<BR/><BR/>http://rapidshare.com/files/189019723/dwyrdmn_strggls.z01 http://rapidshare.com/files/189019676/dwyrdmn_strggls.z02gsrbrts2https://www.blogger.com/profile/06785332758366142549noreply@blogger.com