tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post18246376774883689..comments2024-03-27T22:22:06.465+01:00Comments on inconstant sol: Art Ensemble of Chicago and the European Free Jazz Orchestra live in Frankfurt 1970Nickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06541622427963452170noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-12803897334300370702019-07-31T08:55:38.898+02:002019-07-31T08:55:38.898+02:00@Dronsz - this concert recording is still availabl...@Dronsz - this concert recording is still available as part of a 9 CD box-set.<br />https://www.discogs.com/Various-Born-Free-The-12th-German-Jazz-Festival/release/7946043Ernst Grgo Nebhuthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08943330364275282165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-15188384331156626002019-07-31T08:40:20.691+02:002019-07-31T08:40:20.691+02:00Could somebody please repost this set? Thanks!Could somebody please repost this set? Thanks!DRONSZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06590139556936171865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-49917037134734133562011-06-07T15:38:57.841+02:002011-06-07T15:38:57.841+02:00Gents - interested & stimulated by the discuss...Gents - interested & stimulated by the discussion. What flummoxes me is that ANY rancour or ill-feeling could result - merely from the record's title. ? ! ? There must be something more incendiary than "Gittin' to Know Y'all" as a source for ill feeling? This title represents a casual Southern-States-coloquial vague sort of general friendliness. There's nothing instinsically paternalistic/patronising in the language there at all, if one accepts the US vernacular as OK in coming from US citizens.<br />It strikes me that you would have to be extraordinarily thin-skinned (or have a linguistic misunderstanding) to take any kind of offence at the LP's title.<br /><br />Ok, now I'll go off and read Lewis - even the liner notes(!) to get more informed.<br />One should do this first up - but y'know how it is. .servicetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11411489012950761292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-8700580291920156812011-06-05T13:07:54.572+02:002011-06-05T13:07:54.572+02:00Correct K. And it goes without saying that the re...Correct K. And it goes without saying that the reader is entitled to "decide on the credibility" of the writer. In this instance, I need say no more.glmlrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14619855341081104365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-90402247405368547252011-06-05T02:21:53.176+02:002011-06-05T02:21:53.176+02:00A final observation on my part to our little discu...A final observation on my part to our little discussion here: glmlr says, implicitly, that had Lewis beeen there, his views would have been different and more credible. I don't think his personal presence would have made much difference to his views on what transpired (or did not transpire). When you work as a historian, in this case of the AACM, you rarely have the privilege of being at the "scene of crime", but you may at least have access to those that were. It is up to the historian to decide on the credibility of the sources, coloured to some degree by his or her own preconceptions, if any.kinabaluhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12211840256387413715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-3472607798581555832011-06-04T02:10:05.976+02:002011-06-04T02:10:05.976+02:00I just upped a 6 cds set of the 1970 Baden Baden F...I just upped a 6 cds set of the 1970 Baden Baden Free Jazz Mtg I got from DIME some time ago if anyone is interested.<br /><br />www.oneweekman.blogspot.comBillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09305592313290458150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-77527333964603843132011-06-03T21:29:39.602+02:002011-06-03T21:29:39.602+02:00Interesting discussion.
I would like to add, that ...Interesting discussion.<br />I would like to add, that there was also an economical competition between those two "camps".<br />Although Europe was a far more "fertile" ground for Jazz than the country of its origins, the possibilities to earn some bucks were nontheless limited.<br />Plus the american musicians mostly got a better fee then their european counterparts.<br />The reason why there were communities of ex-patriate (Jazz) musicians in Europe - most notably perhaps Paris - were mainly twofold.<br />The much bigger kudos which the european culture gave to the the musicians but also the better income.<br />The europeans which felt that their contributions were for the first time (rightly) on a par with the music from their afro-american colleagus feared for limited possibilities.<br /><br />Kind of historical irony - 'cause in the end the final "goals" of afro-americans and europeans are (and were) very similar - at least in my view.Ernst Grgo Nebhuthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08943330364275282165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-8999559994772339652011-06-03T20:06:37.446+02:002011-06-03T20:06:37.446+02:00Thanks for your thoughts K. My only further comme...Thanks for your thoughts K. My only further comment would be that I take George Lewis' opinion with a pinch of salt. He was born in 1952 and thus was only 18 in 1970. In other words, he has no first hand experience of these events. I believe that is also apparent in his writings.glmlrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14619855341081104365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-41762692038882031162011-06-03T18:41:26.582+02:002011-06-03T18:41:26.582+02:00glmlr, I see what you're saying, but I do thin...glmlr, I see what you're saying, but I do think you're overstating the case. It might have been perceived as such, but reading George Lewis' take on it, it was either meant ironically or straightforwardly without any ulterior motive. Granted, there was a sense of turf battle at the time with each side claiming their own uniqueness as Afro-Americans or Europeans, perhaps only to be expected. From today's vantage point, however, it all seems rather antiquated.<br /><br />It is fair to say that Europeans were generally more open to the music of the AACM etc. than their compatriots at the time (and probably still are). Roscoe Mitchell has on occasion expressed his regret at the lack of interest in AACM/AEOC among the black community in the US.kinabaluhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12211840256387413715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-32988490981761465552011-06-03T11:53:19.992+02:002011-06-03T11:53:19.992+02:00Thanks Kinabalu. I think it's worth mentionin...Thanks Kinabalu. I think it's worth mentioning for those who might not know, perhaps for younger listeners, that when the "Gittin To Know Y'All" record was released, it provoked a considerable level of anger among European improvisers. The title was perceived to be offensively arrogant, a racial slur by black Americans belittling white Europeans as mere imitators, and an attempt to document their own self-proclaimed musical superiority over anything related to so-called jazz, over which they presumed possessive control, (notwithstanding minimal working opportunities in their own country). By 1970, very many European musicians had cheerfully and purposefully abandoned all the traditional trimmings of jazz, except raw free improvisation, thus they rightly felt mocked and insulted by the colonial mentality of the visiting AACM - AEOC people.glmlrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14619855341081104365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-62289666073631028932011-06-03T11:35:36.923+02:002011-06-03T11:35:36.923+02:00this is the best blog ever. thank you thank you th...this is the best blog ever. thank you thank you thank you!Jorgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07437605012614406667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-64880488037335567412011-06-03T10:45:26.714+02:002011-06-03T10:45:26.714+02:00Onx and others:
A rip of the "Gittin" l...Onx and others:<br /><br />A rip of the "Gittin" lp is still available from:<br /><br />http://www.divshare.com/download/827150-fd9kinabaluhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12211840256387413715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-6575133541735353792011-06-03T01:39:21.956+02:002011-06-03T01:39:21.956+02:00Thank you Kinabalu,
as I never heard the LP "...Thank you Kinabalu,<br /><br />as I never heard the LP "Gittin' to know y'all" I'm especially grateful!<br /><br /><br />@ Anonymous - some MPS LPs are being reissued now:<br />All Mangelsdorff - although some of them are deleted again.<br />Others are Kriegel, Pike, Hubbard, Tchicai, Gulda, Iréne Schweizer, Wolfgang Dauner, Clarke-Boland, Ponty and some others which I do not remember at the moment.<br />Except some Mangelsdorff' all are in print as far already reissued.<br />And I know for sure that others are in the pipeline.<br />Wether classics as - for example - Cecil Taylor's "Fly FLy Fly..." will see the light of the day again, is another question!<br /><br />They are reissued by Universal Germany and a small company called "Promising Music".<br /><br />http://www.promising-music.com/<br /><br />and <br /><br />http://www.universal-music.de/mostperfectsound/alben/Ernst Grgo Nebhuthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08943330364275282165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-37561767381171672902011-06-03T00:32:31.081+02:002011-06-03T00:32:31.081+02:00Thanks, ah, I like the way the AEOC builds up the ...Thanks, ah, I like the way the AEOC builds up the momemtum; saw them first time in 1976 Willisau.<br /><br />And, BTW, has somebody a clue whether all these MPS records are going to see the daylight again ?<br />rg GeorgeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-12946256479494621312011-06-02T23:45:43.521+02:002011-06-02T23:45:43.521+02:00Wow, you continue to thrill with these sets. Thank...Wow, you continue to thrill with these sets. Thank you very much! MBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8357696082833015704.post-35489876570525707342011-06-02T21:34:50.805+02:002011-06-02T21:34:50.805+02:00http://www.multiupload.com/T42EKJIY0Vhttp://www.multiupload.com/T42EKJIY0Vkinabaluhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12211840256387413715noreply@blogger.com